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They said the same thing about another guy in 1987 and he sort of turned out ok


But that "other guy" was about 22 when he got the gig, and had played 6 years of senior footy already in SA/Vic.

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Yeah, i'm up for that!

Kouta to be captain for the year with Fev, Murphy, Simpson as vice-captains/leadership group members.

I'd love Murphy to be captain, and i'm not saying 13 games is to few or he's to young or whatever, but i just think we need to let him develop a bit with the presure of captaincy!

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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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They said the same thing about another guy in 1987 and he sort of turned out ok


Completely different set of circumstances. Sticks was 23, had played senior football for 5 years, was a KPP and backed up by strong leadership within the group.

Murphy is already my favourite player at Carlton and I've got no doubt he'll make a sensational captain in 4-5 years time.


Times change brad, the players in the competition are much younger now than in Sticks day.

Murph has captain written all over him, just give it to him and send a statement to the players and the supporters.


I understand times change, I just dont want him burdened with the captaincy if we have another shit year, having to face the media all the time, as well as dealing with additional pressure he's going to face personally on field this season.

We were a strong club, both on and off field when Sticks was appointed. Maybe the expectation of success the club faced when Sticks was appointed was just as heavy a burden though.

Its not a case of me not believing he'll be a great captain, I just don't want to see him burnt out. Murphy will be with this club for the next 15 years, there's plenty of time for him to be captain.


I respectfully disagree.

IMO none of that is a concern.

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Can't be serious people, he's still a teenager and has only played half a season of senior footy. Even a far more seasoned Reiwoldt struggled under the weight of the gig. I'm sure he will get strong consideration when Lance retires.

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How do we feel about rotating the captaincy?

Thinking outside the normal mode - what would be wrong with implementing what the swans did when Maxfield retired, by appointing a captain for a few games at a time.

During the year we could have Simpson, Walker, Murphy, JK etc take on the role - would develop their leadership and in years to come we could have a team of leaders. Then appoint 1 of them at the end of the season, whoever MC felt performed best and was a natural - consider it as a transition year??


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Jarusa wrote:
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They said the same thing about another guy in 1987 and he sort of turned out ok


Completely different set of circumstances. Sticks was 23, had played senior football for 5 years, was a KPP and backed up by strong leadership within the group.

Murphy is already my favourite player at Carlton and I've got no doubt he'll make a sensational captain in 4-5 years time.


Times change brad, the players in the competition are much younger now than in Sticks day.

Murph has captain written all over him, just give it to him and send a statement to the players and the supporters.


I understand times change, I just dont want him burdened with the captaincy if we have another shit year, having to face the media all the time, as well as dealing with additional pressure he's going to face personally on field this season.

We were a strong club, both on and off field when Sticks was appointed. Maybe the expectation of success the club faced when Sticks was appointed was just as heavy a burden though.

Its not a case of me not believing he'll be a great captain, I just don't want to see him burnt out. Murphy will be with this club for the next 15 years, there's plenty of time for him to be captain.


I respectfully disagree.

IMO none of that is a concern.


No worries, he's a gem regardless :)

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How do we feel about rotating the captaincy?

Thinking outside the normal mode - what would be wrong with implementing what the swans did when Maxfield retired, by appointing a captain for a few games at a time.

During the year we could have Simpson, Walker, Murphy, JK etc take on the role - would develop their leadership and in years to come we could have a team of leaders. Then appoint 1 of them at the end of the season, whoever MC felt performed best and was a natural - consider it as a transition year??


Waiting to be shot down 8)


It sounds good in principle, but I still don't like it.

Waters down the status of the role IMO.

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It will still be a bold decision even if they name Murphy as Vice Captain.
My tip: Captain = Whitnall, Vice Captains = Stevens & Murphy.

If Murphy is the natural leader that everyone thinks he is, he will naturally progress pass Stevens over the coming year or 2 by which stage Whitnall may be ready to hand the captaincy over.
Plus, there is no need to push Murphy into it. We are not going to be Premiership contenders - let's take our time and get it right.

It will be difficult to name anyone younger than Whitnall - eg. Stevens, Simpson etc... and then pull it off them in a couple of years when Murphy & Gibbs are fully ready.


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If they want to do something with a view to the future they should stick Murphy in the leadership group. This in itself is a promotion that is arguably ahead of time but it gives Marc a chance to aquaint himself with the idea of being a leader but still allowing him to concentrate on his own development rather than being burdened with a captain's responsibilities. Judd and Ball both got the gig in 2006 and I think that's about the right time between being drafted and taking the reigns. The important thing is to put a bloke in the top job who can teach Murphy the way to do the business on and off the field.


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Given the Pratt news, I don't like the idea of the Captaincy going to any player that is easily associated with the 'dark years'.

IMO that rules out Whitnall, Kouta, Lappin, Stevens and even Fev.

If Murph can handle it, then it's all his I reckon.

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If murph stepped up and said to Dennis or Pratt or whoever you'd like him to speak to...and said..i would love to captain this club next year and i think i am ready...would you all still think he was to young and perhaps inexperienced?

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Mighty Blues wrote:
If murph stepped up and said to Dennis or Pratt or whoever you'd like him to speak to...and said..i would love to captain this club next year and i think i am ready...would you all still think he was to young and perhaps inexperienced?


Of course he's too young, but it's always been the same on these boards. 3 years ago half the people here were calling for Waite to be captain.

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How much does the captain do on-field these days anyway? A concern would be the pressure on a young guy from the media - facing all the questions, especially if we struggle. Although he seems to have handled it well so far....

It might also be worth waiting until Gibbs has played a bit - perhaps he will show more leadership and may become a better captain....

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In our current situation with the current options available, a rotation policy would be the best option for the next year or 2 (in my opinion).


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In our current situation with the current options available, a rotation policy would be the best option for the next year or 2 (in my opinion).


I disagree. What I think we need now is unity (sorry) on & off the field. I think make the appointment of one captain & move forward with singular purpose. Can assess the others by their conduct within the leadership group.
The difference with Sydney is that they had several proven, outstanding candidates & already had a rock solid playing group & culture. We have a few guys who we are speculating might be good & a culture that needs to develop.


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Murphy eats pressure for breakfast.

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The article really highlighted that Lappo is anti Lance and Stevens getting the gig.


I don't think he is anti Stevo, just that he knows Lance has it in the bag. He was dirty that Lance got a nice big fat contract after years of mediocrity and he had to fight tooth and nail for his despite being our most consistent player in the years prior.


Or he might not respect him.


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Jarusa wrote:
Murphy eats pressure for breakfast.


But oddly, he can't cope with a lot of breakfast cereals.

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I think Murph's got enough on his plate in coming back from injury after having played only a dozen games for the Club.

Let him settle down and show us an ininterrupted season.....there's always time ahead for Captaincy.....he really is just a kid.

IMO; he's under enough pressure from success starved supporters as it is.


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