.. ask Brad....

But I did tell him in confidence!

If Pagan is still our coach this time tommorow I will never post here again....

(So good news either way)

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Thanks for the responses DUC and nightcrawler,....Gee the club better represent a really positive team...my fear is that it's a one step solution...
"we got rid of Pagan...two wooden spoons...and we appointed Mitchell...top of the VFL and we also have some club legends ...just like the good old days."

I think that'll fly for about a month BUT there has to be some serious substance behind it and I don't see the names touted as having serious caoching depth...sorry or is that just me???



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If we want "old time feel good days" perhaps we should get Dooully and Helen D'Amico onto the coaching panel somehow

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Same here.

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We're turning into a rabble like Richmond and St Kilda in the 80's.

Mike Fitzpatrick.......we need you.

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Dukes you obviously missed the question asked.

"If we sack Pagan with money tipped in by Supporters, what have we become?"

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I too am very happy at the moment, positive that he is gone. I can't even say thanks for trying because I truly believe that his efforts were half arsed - he always seemed to be an employee and never became part of the Carlton Football Club. Take your stupid sayings and retire quietly Dennis - plenty of time to dance with your sister now.

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I think that would leave us too exposed.

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Not sure about any of those guys

If they want to tip in the money, why didn't they do it when we were bankrupt. I'm a big believer the administration should appoint and sack coaches and not be reliant on supporters or benefactors influencing this process. although I'm a little biased because as a sporting club president I would never let anyone but the Committee influence the decision that needs to be made.

I suppose my point is that we're putting a lot of faith in a VFL coach who just lost the first final last week after we had dominated the comp all season. It smacks of a Brittain-like appointment and I'm worried that we're not canvassing the best people for the coaching job.

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Of course.

We wouldnt want to fall from our current lofty heights, would we?

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Same here.... I used to think we were a rabble. Now I am sure of it.

I don't know if I like a Coup.

Even Doull would be a better spokesman than Denis.

I'm not happy with the coaching appointment being made in the next 24 hours and I agree with Buzzaah.

Amateurish.

I agree if do decide to sack Pagan it would be foolish not to conduct a full interview process and canvas the field to decide on the best possible alternative, i am still not 100% convinced by Mitchell, i would like to bring in someone who is not carlton from the old days, someone like John Longmire, Gary O'Donnell, Mark Harvey, ect. I would love to have SoS and Ratten as assistants and Peter Dean as VFL coach. That would still give us the Carlton passion and influence from the assistants but i would like to maybe see a non carlton person come in.

How will we look if Mitchell is given the Senior Coachs job tonight or within 24 hours as suggested and then the Bullants go out of the VFL finals in straight sets ???

exactly, it would be extremely foolish to race into such a critical decision which will effect our possible future survival in the next 5 years

We're already at the future survival stakes. if we fall away again over the off-season, what wil happen to the Club?

If Mitchell loses in straight sets he can just argue he was distracted?

Perhaps he could say he picked players for future development of the squad and dumped those players who had no future at the Club?

Read the game reports from the VFL game. They were in it and were overrun, with the writers generally blaming poor skills on the day.

On the flip side, if we win the premiership, what would people say?

I think we should wait and see what actually happened. Who knows what process the club has been through. It's pretty well documented that we interviewed Harvey. How many others were interviewed that the media didn't get a sniff of?

As I see it there are 2 distinct issues here, which in a professional club would be treated as such.

1. Is Pagan the best man to coach and develop Carlton's young (and getting younger) list for the next two years. IF rumour is to be believed and the board have decided he isn't, then we move on to the next issue.

2. Who is the best man for the job if not Pagan? And what process should we use to find this person? Surely we should consider all possible options, by advertising the position and interviewing all interested candidates, and finding out how much they'd do the job for. It seems almost certain that Pagan's replacement will be a first time senior coach, therefore they should be earning at the lower level of senior coaching wages, maybe $250-350K. The difference between Mitchell's supposed wage of 250K to that of someone who wants 350K a year is only 200K over a 2 year contract. If these wealthy and influential backers are willing to kick in $1.2 mill to get rid of Pagan, surely another 200K to allow us to appoint the coach of our choice (Pyke, Mckenna, Longmire, Cresswell, Harvey are 5 names that spring to mind) can be found.

I'm just petrified that we'll get rid of one dud and replace him with another one because we can't see that issue 2, who will replace Pagan if he's sacked, has more possible answers than just Barry Mitchell.

I'd say we have a VFL coach on the way to being as good as Mark Williams (ex Carlton) at Sandy. But unless we have an open recruiting procedure we have no way of judging whether Mitch is better than all those other assistant and VFL coaches. And as for cramming the place full of Carlton cronies.....let's get the best, if they are ex Carlton well and good, but if this goes ahead it is like Quinlan as Fitzroy coach in their dying days.