The Pagan solution?

The Duke · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:52 am

Molly wrote:

I'd hate to become Richmond where we sack a coach every two years because he isn't performing (without actually looking at the fundamentals that coach has put in place).

Richmond have settled nicely back into 9th position - My Richmond mates are wrapped with their performance :roll:

This is what they call success :lol:

I can't wait to give them a spanking in 2007 and watch as their ageing stars that have them in 9th place start to retire while we develop our youth.

Electric Blue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:12 am **Posts:** 10076

Molly wrote:

Back to the point Electric Blue,

I am obviously delighted with the idea. However - would the 'free' first two years, and then the paid third year put the said person in an untenable position if he can't get the team to immediately fire up? As in, someone on the board would look at the coaching position and think - well he's expendable because we aren't paying him much.

I just think that there was a real positive with the Pagan situation - and that was that he's been given time to develop something. The fact he hasn't showed we got the wrong man for the job. So we sucked at candidate selection - but was the stability that we offered the wrong process? I have a feeling it was the right idea but the wrong man.

I'd hate to become Richmond where we sack a coach every two years because he isn't performing (without actually looking at the fundamentals that coach has put in place).

Cheers Molly.

My guess is it would need to be a 3 year contract, this person is perhaps already receiving a reasonable wage from the club and wont take any extra for the next 2 years however, their 3rd contracted year would be at $750'ish, I would imagine.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:19 am

Electric Blue wrote:

My guess is it would need to be a 3 year contract, this person is perhaps already receiving a reasonable wage from the club and wont take any extra for the next 2 years however, their 3rd contracted year would be at $750'ish, I would imagine.

Whitnall player-coach????

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:25 am

TD - Maybe
Sticks -Possible
Mitchell - chance
Elsaugh ????
Libba- I doubt it
Harford -Nah

i love this stuff EB

Now come clean with the Player who was told he was not getting a game

camel · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:35 am

Sydney Blue wrote:

Now come clean with the Player who was told he was not getting a game

I think it was Campo.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:41 am

Electric Blue wrote:

Firstly, I am still a Pagan fan, I am prepared to judge him harshly on 2007 though..

However, imagine another person who is VERY well credentialed and would be welcomed by most on this site, offered to coach carlton for the next 3 years, the first 2 of which would be free, the club would not pay an additional cent for the services of our new coach, untill Year 3 where he would be paid a Pagan type figure for that year.

Stay tuned..........

We wouldn't pay an extra cent for his services as he'd be paid at his assistant coaches rate, but we would have to pay his replacement as assistant coach.

Electric Blue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:12 am **Posts:** 10076

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Electric Blue wrote:

Firstly, I am still a Pagan fan, I am prepared to judge him harshly on 2007 though..

However, imagine another person who is VERY well credentialed and would be welcomed by most on this site, offered to coach carlton for the next 3 years, the first 2 of which would be free, the club would not pay an additional cent for the services of our new coach, untill Year 3 where he would be paid a Pagan type figure for that year.

Stay tuned..........

We wouldn't pay an extra cent for his services as he'd be paid at his assistant coaches rate, but we would have to pay his replacement as assistant coach.

MIght prove to be the sticking point huh? :wink:

Sydney Blue I cant say anything else about the mystery player, I was reamed over that one... (butitsnotthathardtoworkout)

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:00 am

you'd think that if Pagan gets knifed by one of his assistants then the other would be out the door as well.

I think they could just go-in a coach short for a couple of seasons, or get in some part-timers like Carey.

Personally, I don't like this idea. I suppose anything better than Pagan actually in charge, but I would prefer to see him sacked formally and then due process put in place to find the best replacement on the market.

But, if they don't want to do that, then I suppose this is better than retaining Pagan for another year

Speedy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:26 pm **Posts:** 332

Please be Voss

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10640

Electric Blue wrote:

However, imagine another person who is VERY well credentialed

... Well credentialed at AFL level?
Going from the responses, it sounds like it's Mitchell, if so how is he well credentialed?

Malcom Blight :idea:

Could do much worse. Would doubt he'd be interested in taking over a basket case of a club though!

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:02 pm

Electric Blue wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Electric Blue wrote:

Firstly, I am still a Pagan fan, I am prepared to judge him harshly on 2007 though..

However, imagine another person who is VERY well credentialed and would be welcomed by most on this site, offered to coach carlton for the next 3 years, the first 2 of which would be free, the club would not pay an additional cent for the services of our new coach, untill Year 3 where he would be paid a Pagan type figure for that year.

Stay tuned..........

We wouldn't pay an extra cent for his services as he'd be paid at his assistant coaches rate, but we would have to pay his replacement as assistant coach.

MIght prove to be the sticking point huh? :wink:

Sydney Blue I cant say anything else about the mystery player, I was reamed over that one... (butitsnotthathardtoworkout)

It must be the guy who is on compo then

Electric Blue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:12 am **Posts:** 10076

SurreyBlue wrote:

Electric Blue wrote:

However, imagine another person who is VERY well credentialed

... Well credentialed at AFL level?
Going from the responses, it sounds like it's Mitchell, if so how is he well credentialed?

Malcom Blight :idea:

Could do much worse. Would doubt he'd be interested in taking over a basket case of a club though!

The only person who would make everyone on this site happy is unavailable, he's busy making the world spin each day... :garthp:

..than again even he wouldnt make a couple of you happy..... :wink:

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10640

Electric Blue wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Electric Blue wrote:

However, imagine another person who is VERY well credentialed

... Well credentialed at AFL level?
Going from the responses, it sounds like it's Mitchell, if so how is he well credentialed?

Malcom Blight :idea:

Could do much worse. Would doubt he'd be interested in taking over a basket case of a club though!

The only person who would make everyone on this site happy is unavailable, he's busy making the world spin each day... :garthp:

..than again even he wouldnt make a couple of you happy..... :wink:

No need to get defensive EB, just asking the question.

For you information, I have no problem with Mitchell but would still prefer some-one from outside this group, that is all. :garthp:

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:28 pm

or he would for a couple of years and then they would turn

oh how they would turn

being nailed to a cross would have nothing on this baby!

GWS · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:32 pm

dannyboy wrote:

or he would for a couple of years and then they would turn

oh how they would turn

being nailed to a cross would have nothing on this baby!

You're nailing babies to crosses now?

You are one sick puppy... :shock:

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:38 pm

Look, in all honesty, this looks like a slapdash approach from a club with no balls. You shouldn't appoint your assistant just because he's cheap.... (PETER ROHDE??).. you have to go through the process and if he's STILL the best one, then appoint him.

I don't see Mitchell being groomed as the heir apparent either, like Brittain and Parko... perhaps if there was a clear program in place to appoint him it would be logical.

I'm not saying he'll be a shit coach, but I reckon he should have to go up against his peers at LEAST.

But, given the club are stupid and broke and have NO business acumen, I suppose this is better than keeping Pagan another season.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:45 pm

puppy!

(doing a joyous jig) I'm still young!

but seriously if the club did this I'd do a Surrey and sook for the next three years

I'd do a CG and hang shit on everyone for four

I'd do a Synbad and....na...never that!

Electric Blue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:12 am **Posts:** 10076

The Tyrant wrote:

Look, in all honesty, this looks like a slapdash approach from a club with no balls. You shouldn't appoint your assistant just because he's cheap.... (PETER ROHDE??).. you have to go through the process and if he's STILL the best one, then appoint him.

I don't see Mitchell being groomed as the heir apparent either, like Brittain and Parko... perhaps if there was a clear program in place to appoint him it would be logical.

I'm not saying he'll be a shit coach, but I reckon he should have to go up against his peers at LEAST.

But, given the club are stupid and broke and have NO business acumen, I suppose this is better than keeping Pagan another season.

Bear in mind, this idea is not being driven by the club..

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:52 pm

Synbad!!!!!!

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10640

dannyboy wrote:

or he would for a couple of years and then they would turn

oh how they would turn

being nailed to a cross would have nothing on this baby!

Danny if any coach in charge gave you 2 wooden spoons in successive years and three bottom 2 finish in 4, would you not think that something needed to be done? Gee "CFC's" standards have dropped. :cry:

I remember the days we sent them packing after a bad half of a year.

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