Looking at players from other clubs:

Adelaide:

Mitch Grigg - If Bell goes, I'd like to take a look at him as a cheap replacement to fill that big bodied midfielder role. Only six games this year and out of contract. Questionable kick, but he finds it enough.

David Mackay - Helps add to that middle age group. Teague came out this week and said he wasn't in their best 22 (yet contracted till 2018). Given the way they've structured the top end of their list this year, I reckon he could be squeezed out cheaply.

Andy Otten - A monty to be considered under the "played a good game against us once" rule. Out of contract also. Probably plays too much of a similar role to Simon White to have both on the list, but were he to become part of a deal elsewhere, cheaper alternative I suppose if his knee can hold up.

Brisbane -

Rohan Bewick - I'd be interested if he doesn't re-sign. Think he's shown a bit for them this year as a mid sized lead up forward. Offers more than Blaine Johnson, and again - Menzel goes, its a cheap stop gap.

Please not Adcock. Don't piss off the future captain.

Collingwood - If Kennedy is going at a firesale, fantastic, otherwise - stalled development is concerning. Broomhead for Menzel straight swap? I'm at a loss to understand why Corey Gault isn't getting a game in that forward line either.

Essendon* - Hope we'd consider a rookie spot for Alex Browne if he gets delisted. I'd at least see what Tayte Pears wanted $$ wise, before dismissing him ahead of bringing in someone from a lower league, or paying Carlisle more because we'll need a KPD with Henderson/Watson gone.

Fremantle - Doubt we'll be the only team enquiring about Hayden Crozier. I'd consider sending the Henderson pick west for Taberner.

Gold Coast - I always bring up Luke Russell and Alex Sexton. Boston another one. Seb Tape was so highly rated in his draft year - wonder what happened?

GWS - Curtly Hampton as a Yarran replacement would be nice. Tomlinson interesting - 2017 contract but surely surplus to needs? Stewart and Adam Kennedy in a similar boat.

Hawthorn - Whitecross has routinely been described by Hawthorn people as being in their best 22, until he came back from injury....and wasn't. Wonder if Bolton would bring him across? Big fan of Angus Litherland, wouldn't mind him - but probably outside of our immediate needs.

Melbourne - Is it worth making a play for Trengove if his foot passes a medical? We could do worse. I'd be happy to give Cam Pedersen a third chance in the context of ensuring Carlisle isn't paid overs.

NMFC - That we haven't been linked to Aaron Black at all makes me assume a trade to Freo is all but a done deal. Wonder if we'd have a crack at Majak....

Port - Not thrilled by Butcher at all. Paul Stewart is 28? The same Paul Stewart that was going to be the next big thing? Shit.

Eh, you get the idea..

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No more band aids. If we trade for players they have to be top quality and under 22, no fringe players. Keep the draft picks for players traded out. If we could get 2 out of Schache/Weitering and Weidemann/Collins we will be on the right track. Any other early picks get genuine midfielders who can play in the guts. Recruit Silvagni and Rice hopefully. Then any late picks get some small forwards.
8 players to go:
Trade: Henderson, Yarran, Walker (Kruezer if we get early compo for him, Gibbs if we can get top 15 pick, Bell if he wants to go back to Qld)
De-List: Warnock, Ellard, Watson (Jones, Tutt, Rowe, Armfield, Dick, White will all be delisted next year)
Retire: Judd, Carrazzo

Depends on what is expected from him

A club might be happy with 10-12 games/year -happily pay 50% of walkers contract for 2 years if it meant a good pick upgrade.

To the right team, Walker could nab a pick upgrade and/or young player that we could use in the short/medium term (and potentially longer) - particularly if the blues pay part salary (due to medical)

As an examples
hawks/sydney -> trade our 4th round for 2nd. Then consider packaging a couple of picks for an earlier pick if there is a player that we think will be around and of interest.
adelaide mckay -> walker + exchange of late picks.

Would be a much better option than paying out a host of contracts...

sensible post Rhino, but i think McKay at 28 is too old, and Trengrove has had his time cut short and would b a huge risk. any player from Hawthorn will bring the Hawks training / work ethic so cant be bad for us (until we beat that out of them)

Bewick, despite the name making me ill is a sensible choice

any talls out of gws and gold coast are worth a gamble if we can get them cheap, as they hboth have a decent supply

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Based on current ladder positions...

delist/retire - watson, ellard, judd, carazzo, warnock, johnson (R), russell (R),

Trade
Kreuzer FA -> 1st round compo (2)
henderson -> cats 2016 1st round + 2015 2nd round (29)
yarran + bell -> GC for 1st round pick (4) + smith/gorringe (assumed yarran value is richmond's 1st pick + bell GC 2nd rounder -> excluding fringe player, 14 + 22 is quite close to pick 4 using AFL points system)
menzel -> crows 1st round (13) + mckay
walker + 4th round -> swans 2nd round (blues pay large % of walkers salary). ie + 56 (194 points) -> pick 34 (542 points) i.e. walker's value around 348 points (pick 45, mid 3rd round)
trade 29 (653) + 38 (465) -> bombers 2nd round (23, 815 points) + melkshem/myers (ie 303 points, pick 48/mid-3rd round)

In summary
11 main list out + 3 in (smith/gorringe + mckay + melkshem/myers) - leaves 8 main spots for main list (ND 1, 2 , 4, 13, 20, 23, 34, 74)
2 rookie delistings (rookie draft 1, 19, 1 X category B)

Draft
1 - weitering (backline)
2 - francis (backline)
4 - curnow/parish (mid)
13 - ah chee/mathieson/partington (mid)
20 - burton/weideman (forward) <- subject to thorough medical
23 - milera/clarke (forward)
34 - rice (542 points +197 -> equiv to pick 26 bid) (backline)
74 - silvagni (equiv to pick 56 bid, more if leftover points available from rice) (forward)
rookie 1 - best available ruck option
rookie 19 - best available
Rookie B - korchek (ruck)
2016 -> cats 1st pick

AFL site is unclear on rookie rules but if we need to elevate a rookie or two, then in order - delist/payout - tutt, dick (rookie list if we want him)

Overall ins
rucks - smith (26), korchek (23/34), rookie listed ruck (18)
mids - mckay (27), melkshem (24), curnow, partington,
forwards - burton, clarke, SOSOS
backs - weitering, francis, rice

Starting 22 by end of 2016 season/start of 2017 (with at least 2 X 1st round selections in that draft) + $$ to pick up FA without having to worry about compo)

FB buckley (23), jamison (30), docherty (23)
HB touhy (26), weitering (19?), francis (19?)
C boekhurst (22), gibbs (27), melksham (24)
HF clarke (19?), Casboult (26), everitt (27),
FF thomas (29), jaksch (22), holman (21),
Ruck Smith (26), cripps (21), murphy (29)
Int mckay (28), parish, simpson (32), curnow (27)

depth - armfield (30), rowe (29), white (28), sheehan (26), fields (24), whiley (24), korchek (24), byrne (22), graham (22), foster (21), giles (21), rainbow (20), smith (20), rice (19), burton (19?), partington (19), SOSOS (19)

Based on 3 yr target as stated by the club, would expect jamison, simpson and maybe 2 of thomas/mckay would need to be replaced when we start contending (end of 2017/start of 2018). Of the depth players, you would expect armfield, rowe, white to be retire by that time as well

Would have 3 X 1st round picks (2016 X2, 2017 X1) + whatever else we can pick up by then via FA, later draft picks, f/s, trades

and yes, obviously the above is highly unlikely to occur

what on earth makes anyone think we are getting pick 1 and 2? and 4? Dreaming

1 & 2 are possible - just depends on what we do with kreuzer.

4 - theoretically possible based on AFL points valuations and what we might reasonably expect for yarran (richmonds 1st pick) and bell (GCS 2nd pick) -> numbers would add up to pick 4 - IF clubs use these numbers going forward, it might be possible - certainly agree that this would be highly unlikely to actually proceed though given how people get attached to the idea of early picks (myself included)

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That would have to be the most one eyed description of trade scenarios I've ever read. You need to temper your expectations.

There is no way we are getting any top 8 picks for any of our players up for trade.

In reality we will receive 2 end of first rounders for Hendo and Yarran, as they pretty much spent the entire year lowering their value.

You forgot Ellard for West Coasts 3rd rounder and Kennedy.

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Impressive. Can you give a crack at solving ISIS crisis

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Well, we've blown the number one pick in the national draft and pre season draft. We've also left ourselves vulnerable to Brisbane getting a compensation pick ahead of us.

Not a good result in terms of drafting or trading.

Main implication for me is that we definitely won't let Kreuzer go anymore.

The only reason I would've let him go is to secure a key forward and key defender for 10 years. No point now.

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Leuy won't get them pick 2. No club will throw big money for him over 3-4 years.

I hope you're right, but Frawley isn't on big money... age of the player and length of contract are also significant factors.

Some pretty fanciful scenarios. No more scond rate hacks who can't get a game. We are actually trying to improve our team, we don't need any more mediocre talent. If canny traders like us give up 40 for Jones, surely we will get something for Warnock. He is a reasonable tap ruckman when in form and fit. Clubs need rucks. Why do people want to get rid of big K for?
Menzel is a talent, he needs a good year clear of injury. We can't just become a revolving door.

Frawley's on 550k a year and is one year younger than Leunberger.

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