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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:46 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
kezza wrote:
One of the latest rumours is Kennedy for Caleb Daniel and pick 63.


Yes please

x 2
He'd slot in nicely if true.



We need pick 63 for the Campo boys. Cant happen. Plus he is going to North for pick 25.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:46 pm 
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As it stands, our list composition is either:

Primary 36, Category A 6, Category B 2… or,
Primary 35, Category A 7, Category B 2

The variance being whether Lucas attracts a bid, or we prelist him before the rookie draft.

Adding two first round picks would put us at either the maximum 38, or 37 players on the primary list.

Hence, the second round pick can be moved as it was going to be used for Ben regardless. Expect to hear his name closer to pick 50 than 30.

If we use both 12 & 14 (likely 15 & 18 when said & done), we’ll have 46 players on the list. Two over the limit…

Trading Owies and turning two picks into one puts the ‘virtual’ list at 44 players.

However, to get to the minimum 36 players on the Primary list, we are now either forced to add Lucas in the ND, or upgrade one from the Cat. A list.

Or, find another draft pick without losing another player.

By the time Ashcroft, Lombard, Kako & Marshall are off the board, we’ll have the points to match a bid on either of the boys in the 30s. Brisbane don’t have the points to cover both Ashcroft & Marshall if Richmond bid on the former at #1, so we’re a fair way off counting our chickens.

I'd like it if we added Deven Robertson for midfield depth.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:47 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
There seems to have been a massive pivot.
We started the silly season with Haynes looking at Houston as if we were going to top up.
Now we are all in going for kids and moving on established players.

It appears that they think we are not ready to have a dip for 2 to 3 years which makes Haynes pick up all the more confusing

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I don't agree. Owies wasn't offered a contract all year. He was always surplus to requirements. Perhaps I'm biased because i have never really warmed to him as a small forward but the writing has been on the wall for months.
Kennedy we have known about since the exit meetings a month ago. Also no surprise.
Kemp is not a player we shopped around it appears. We have been approached and perhaps its worth considering the approach for the right offer. He was dropped several times for a reason. He is 23 and keeps making the same mistakes. Been in the system long enough to have cemented his spot but hasn't.
If we could somehow turn a pick for him and a Kennedy pick into a late first rounder i would do it. There has not been one one player Austin has moved on that has come back to bite us in the ass and I doubt that will be the case if Kemp gets moved on.

Austin didn't need to advertise his strategy to the AFL world a month or two in advance. He has done really well in my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:50 pm 
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Hmm, interesting. Cut price Houston alternative? I didn't understand why he was on the outers at WB. Good ball user. Not sure about his defensive side or pace.


Can’t/wont defend and slow.

No thank you


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:52 pm 
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Jon Ralph saying we would accept in the 20's for Kemp if offered.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:02 pm 
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I think a top 3 pick can impact immediately in a side full of mature bodies.

Will Ashcroft in his first year before his knee was huge.
Daicos
Watson at the Hawks this year
Reid at the Eagles in a terrible team.
Ollie is as skinny as a rake but did very well in his first season with us as a pick 10. Played all the finals.
McKercher played 16 games this year in a shizen side.

I think its a great strategy by Austin. Get a kid that can impact immediately (hopefully) and be around well into the future.
And if possible get back into the first round with another pick by trading players that have been unable to hold down a regular position.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:19 pm 
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daggs001 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
There seems to have been a massive pivot.
We started the silly season with Haynes looking at Houston as if we were going to top up.
Now we are all in going for kids and moving on established players.

It appears that they think we are not ready to have a dip for 2 to 3 years which makes Haynes pick up all the more confusing

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I don't agree. Owies wasn't offered a contract all year. He was always surplus to requirements. Perhaps I'm biased because i have never really warmed to him as a small forward but the writing has been on the wall for months.
Kennedy we have known about since the exit meetings a month ago. Also no surprise.
Kemp is not a player we shopped around it appears. We have been approached and perhaps its worth considering the approach for the right offer. He was dropped several times for a reason. He is 23 and keeps making the same mistakes. Been in the system long enough to have cemented his spot but hasn't.
If we could somehow turn a pick for him and a Kennedy pick into a late first rounder i would do it. There has not been one one player Austin has moved on that has come back to bite us in the ass and I doubt that will be the case if Kemp gets moved on.

Austin didn't need to advertise his strategy to the AFL world a month or two in advance. He has done really well in my opinion.

agree


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:59 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
There seems to have been a massive pivot.
We started the silly season with Haynes looking at Houston as if we were going to top up.
Now we are all in going for kids and moving on established players.

It appears that they think we are not ready to have a dip for 2 to 3 years which makes Haynes pick up all the more confusing

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I disagree. I think Austin has been pretty consistent all along in saying that the strategy this year is to “attack the draft”. In part, this is to keep TPP under control. Haynes cost us nothing and his presence for a year should help the development of our younger players.

And I get the impression that Houston was more into us than we were into him. Not that we don’t rate him, Austin just did not want to deviate from the strategy. Austin obviously wanted #3 more than he wanted Houston (again, with TPP being a significant factor).

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:14 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
There seems to have been a massive pivot.
We started the silly season with Haynes looking at Houston as if we were going to top up.
Now we are all in going for kids and moving on established players.

It appears that they think we are not ready to have a dip for 2 to 3 years which makes Haynes pick up all the more confusing

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I disagree. I think Austin has been pretty consistent all along in saying that the strategy this year is to “attack the draft”. In part, this is to keep TPP under control. Haynes cost us nothing and his presence for a year should help the development of our younger players.

And I get the impression that Houston was more into us than we were into him. Not that we don’t rate him, Austin just did not want to deviate from the strategy. Austin obviously wanted #3 more than he wanted Houston (again, with TPP being a significant factor).

Who?
If we trade Kemp then we have '0' medium defenders to develop, unless we rookie Liam McMahon of course, then that is only 1.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:54 pm 
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we cant afford to lose kemp has played 32 games and we are short of defenders any way.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:14 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
There seems to have been a massive pivot.
We started the silly season with Haynes looking at Houston as if we were going to top up.
Now we are all in going for kids and moving on established players.

It appears that they think we are not ready to have a dip for 2 to 3 years which makes Haynes pick up all the more confusing

Sent from my SM-F926B using Tapatalk


I disagree. I think Austin has been pretty consistent all along in saying that the strategy this year is to “attack the draft”. In part, this is to keep TPP under control. Haynes cost us nothing and his presence for a year should help the development of our younger players.

And I get the impression that Houston was more into us than we were into him. Not that we don’t rate him, Austin just did not want to deviate from the strategy. Austin obviously wanted #3 more than he wanted Houston (again, with TPP being a significant factor).

Who?
If we trade Kemp then we have '0' medium defenders to develop, unless we rookie Liam McMahon of course, then that is only 1.

I reckon the whole defensive group will benefit from working alongside Haynes, especially young players like Cowan and Wilson.

I don’t particularly want to trade Kemp (or Kennedy) but Austin will rightly be seriously tempted if it results in a 2nd round pick.

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 Post subject: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:48 pm 
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Apparently SOS is trying to convince Ross to go after Kristian Jaksch…


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:13 pm 
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SOS is an absolute tyre kicker. He wants to take over the mantle of Trade Week's biggest A-hole, from the Ex Essendon* Car Salesman.

Don't deal with him Blues.

Regards Cazzesman

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:13 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Apparently SOS is trying to convince Ross to go after Kristian Jaksch…


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The A Team’s best move to-date is falling arse backwards into a compensation pick.

Lyon, Misson, Allen, Silvagni.

Probably a decade behind the times.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:30 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
Apparently SOS is trying to convince Ross to go after Kristian Jaksch…


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The A Team’s best move to-date is falling arse backwards into a compensation pick.

Lyon, Misson, Allen, Silvagni.

Probably a decade behind the times.


You can add Brendan Bolton to that list.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:34 pm 
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The Doggies currently have picks 35 and 48. How can they do the deal for Kennedy?

If deals with the Cats and St's fail then I can't see Kennedy happening.

They give us 35 and they only have one pick. I guess they would have to upgrade rookies to fill their 3 upgrade quota.

last 2 hours will be fun for Luke Power.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:50 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
The Doggies currently have picks 35 and 48. How can they do the deal for Kennedy?

They don’t.

Macrae stays, no need to chase Kennedy & they take 17 for Smith.

SOS takes more egg to the face like it’s OnlyFans.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:53 pm 
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what time does the trade period finish?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:54 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
The Doggies currently have picks 35 and 48. How can they do the deal for Kennedy?

They don’t.

Macrae stays, no need to chase Kennedy & they take 17 for Smith.

SOS takes more egg to the face like it’s OnlyFans.


If the Cats are fairdinkum, it is 17 and their 2025 1st round.

Don't blink Doggies. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:13 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
The Doggies currently have picks 35 and 48. How can they do the deal for Kennedy?

They don’t.

Macrae stays, no need to chase Kennedy & they take 17 for Smith.

SOS takes more egg to the face like it’s OnlyFans.


If the Cats are fairdinkum, it is 17 and their 2025 1st round.

Don't blink Doggies. :lol:

Regards Cazzesman


They will need add something else as both picks outside top 10.


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