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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 1:08 pm 
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Braeden Campbell and Matt Roberts are decent players. Campbell a lovely kick but doesn't impact games as you'd hope. Roberts a neat accumulator at the back, doesn't do too much wrong but wasn't best 22 by the end of the season. I wouldn't mind having them on the list but... hmm... history is not kind on trades where one big player is split into multiple good-average players. Depends what it means for salary caps. The extra picks make it tempting but not compelling.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Over the past 4 years, Charlie has averaged just under 60 goals per season (58.5). If we've seen his best, I'm more than happy with it.
He had zero pre-season, no warm up games and then had to carry the forward line one-out for the season. Yet he still averaged 11.8 disposals, 6 marks and kicked 32 goals from 18 games. Off a significantly reduced fitness base. Yes Harry is a flake but you don't throw out the bloke who carried our forward line for the season because he struggled to take up Harry's slack.

I think people forget what an athletic freak Charlie is. He's shorter than Patrick Cripps. Yet we expected him this year to beat 2 or 3 key defenders per game who are on average, bigger, heavier and stronger than him.
Get him some support, some midfield talent to deliver the ball and he'll be as good as anyone.
This years Coleman medallist is 32. The bloke who came third is 33. There's no reason we can't get another 5 or 6 years out of Charlie. He's averaged just under 22 games per season the past 4 years so suggesting his body is worn out is unfounded IMO.

I'm interested who we play as a key forward if we ship them both out. Harry Lemmey? The bloke can't get a kick in the VFL.
It's pointless building a strong midfield to watch the ball coming back over their heads faster than it goes in there.
If you want picks, trade the flaky forward. Not the bloke carrying him.
Or ask the captain if he wants to head back to WA.
That's our biggest deficiency. Countering the opposition scoring when we turn it over with an inconsistent, unskilled, unaccountable midfield.

You don't take away a strength to bolster a weakness. You remove the weakness and replace it.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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tap in 79 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Over the past 4 years, Charlie has averaged just under 60 goals per season (58.5). If we've seen his best, I'm more than happy with it.
He had zero pre-season, no warm up games and then had to carry the forward line one-out for the season. Yet he still averaged 11.8 disposals, 6 marks and kicked 32 goals from 18 games. Off a significantly reduced fitness base. Yes Harry is a flake but you don't throw out the bloke who carried our forward line for the season because he struggled to take up Harry's slack.

I think people forget what an athletic freak Charlie is. He's shorter than Patrick Cripps. Yet we expected him this year to beat 2 or 3 key defenders per game who are on average, bigger, heavier and stronger than him.
Get him some support, some midfield talent to deliver the ball and he'll be as good as anyone.
This years Coleman medallist is 32. The bloke who came third is 33. There's no reason we can't get another 5 or 6 years out of Charlie. He's averaged just under 22 games per season the past 4 years so suggesting his body is worn out is unfounded IMO.

I'm interested who we play as a key forward if we ship them both out. Harry Lemmey? The bloke can't get a kick in the VFL.
It's pointless building a strong midfield to watch the ball coming back over their heads faster than it goes in there.
If you want picks, trade the flaky forward. Not the bloke carrying him.
Or ask the captain if he wants to head back to WA.
That's our biggest deficiency. Countering the opposition scoring when we turn it over with an inconsistent, unskilled, unaccountable midfield.

You don't take away a strength to bolster a weakness. You remove the weakness and replace it.


Agree with Bluevain here.

What made Adelaide so imposing this year in part was their three big marking forwards. That Thilthorpe is great. Would they trade out one of the cogs? No.

You need at least two power big forwards. You don't get rid of Paul McCartney out of the Beatles & replace him with Charlie Watts on the drums. Whose gonna write your songs? Ringo?


George Harrison wrote some pretty fine songs. Also got hits in a second band. So would be the equivalent to two premiership (successful bands) and a Brownlow (solo hits). The McCartney and Lennon won only one premiership and Brownlow each. Ringo I agree was just a premiership player but you need them to support your star midfielder Harrison.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Got My Mind Set On You is the worst song ever written though. We are not trading in George Harrison

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Effes wrote:
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Charlie Curnow had his exit meeting at @CarltonFC
today. He raised the prospect of a trade but it was immediately shut down.

Jesus, Charles… are you really going to run with Tom flower Morris as your mouthpiece?

He keeps poor company.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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I've got my mind set on kicking CK's arse!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Enjoy the rest of your afternoon GE :grin:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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CK95 wrote:
Got My Mind Set On You is the worst song ever written though. We are not trading in George Harrison


From Wikipedia:

Got My Mind Set on You" (also written as "(Got My Mind) Set on You") is a song written and composed by Rudy Clark and originally recorded by James Ray in 1962, under the title "I've Got My Mind Set on You". An edited version of the song was released later in the year as a single on Dynamic Sound Records credited to Ray with Hutch Davie Orchestra & Chorus. The song features a variety of instruments, including a Chinese lute, but it is uncertain whether Ray or the orchestra played the lute. In 1987, George Harrison released a cover version of the song on his eleventh studio album Cloud Nine, which he had recorded on his Dark Horse Records label.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Geez the mosquitos hanging around Prinnie park. Wonder if they do the same at other clubs.

They are relentless. We are a very popular club arent we.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Lemmey, Fantasia and Cincotta delisted

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bluechampion wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Got My Mind Set On You is the worst song ever written though. We are not trading in George Harrison


From Wikipedia:

Got My Mind Set on You" (also written as "(Got My Mind) Set on You") is a song written and composed by Rudy Clark and originally recorded by James Ray in 1962, under the title "I've Got My Mind Set on You". An edited version of the song was released later in the year as a single on Dynamic Sound Records credited to Ray with Hutch Davie Orchestra & Chorus. The song features a variety of instruments, including a Chinese lute, but it is uncertain whether Ray or the orchestra played the lute. In 1987, George Harrison released a cover version of the song on his eleventh studio album Cloud Nine, which he had recorded on his Dark Horse Records label.



Imagine having so many songs to choose to do a cover of, & going with that!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Lemmey, Fantasia and Cincotta delisted



Geez Lemmey was a bust then.

Shame about Cinc. He played some good roles in his time with us.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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We have low KPP stocks now dont we? Hope we get some good ones in.

Especially if we get rid of McGovern too.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Surely we look to rookie Lemmey?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 2:40 pm 
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https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1878489


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 2:46 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Effes wrote:
Lemmey, Fantasia and Cincotta delisted


Geez Lemmey was a bust then.

Shame about Cinc. He played some good roles in his time with us.


No surprises in that list of three but you're right, Cinc was fantastic for quite a while there. Seemed to drop off a cliff his last two or three games, maybe some health issues we don't know about? Or did opposition coaches just crack the code?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 3:03 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
Now's the time to, at the very least, get rid of one.

Why do Carlton supporters rate them so highly? (Please don't respond with Norm Smith Medals. That's not going to happen again. They've peaked...and deep down you all know it).

Agree and I bet most Melbourne supporters wish they traded Petracca and Oliver last year when they had decent currency.
Richmond fans seem happy enough with their decision to trade away Bolton, Rioli and Baker.
If the Swans offer us pick #2 and a future 1st for Charlie then we should take it IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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If the Swans offer us pick #2 and a future 1st for Charlie then we should take it IMO.


Would definitely consider that....the good thing is a club must overpay if they want Curnow or McKay.

How are the Swans getting pick 2? Warner?

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blu ... 5mqjy.html

Blues star Curnow’s trade request denied
By Jake Niall and Sam McClure
Updated August 28, 2025 — 2.52pmfirst published at 11.22am

Carlton superstar Charlie Curnow’s request for a trade away from the Blues has been flatly rejected by the club.

The star forward told the Blues of his wish to move to another club at his exit interview on Thursday. But he was told that he would not be traded, according to three competition sources with knowledge of the situation.

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If we are going to do a deal with Swans for Charlie - why is no one discussing the obvious - Grundy - He is better than TDK

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We cant even sign a free agent now. That sucks.
Sure we can!

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