I like this reminder too



https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/13/the-reasons-why-david-king-is-sick-of-the-michael-voss-pile-on-as-heat-rises/

Stick with Voss.

Find confidence.

Harry & Charlie should stop their casual approach to goal kicking. Get a routine sorted and use it every time you have a set shot at goal. Show some respect to those who have done the hard work to get it to the KPF's... and lets get Martin and Cuningham fit to play week in week out, coz the developing small forwards need to do their developing in the VFL.

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i dunno. voss creates the system for our inaccuracies in front of goal. we rarely get set shots right in front bcos our structure doesn't allow it. and we never run in on open goal for gimmes

There were at least 2 opportunities for gimmies on the weekend. One when Charlie kicked it from HF and it went through for a point when if he had centered it Martin was 20m out directly in front.

Agree totally.

We're missing too many easy shots and wasting too many genuine opportunities

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My issue is what he does during the game. Plenty of times we’ve looked ok for a quarter but as soon as the opposition makes a change we’re stuffed

Thanks Bondi - interesting

Perhaps missing is the pressure we are under as we enter. Sure there are missed shots that are gettable (eg Harry and SOS), however there is plenty of scoring that comes from a rushed kick or attempt from a long range. That’s only my perception.

Yes I heard King today too and I thought he made a lot of sense amongst the hysteria
Thought Footy classified with the used car salesman Hutchy and the Pooper Scooper was ridiculous in its hyperbole last night only sport that a coach wouldnt be sacked for the performance -pure hogwash

There's no doubt we pushed our forwards up the ground and created opportunities to take long range shots.
It was an obvious change watching at the ground and I applaud the move. Get someone like Durdin back in the side who has the wheels to outrun defenders offensively and it will add another dimension.
Once again it was poor kicking that cost us. From memory we had 19 inside 50's in the second quarter and should have iced the game.

I admire Voss' loyalty to his senior players but Harry should be managed for 3-4 weeks. He should go away and rebuild his kicking technique. It doesn't need a major overhaul. He just needs to stay more upright when kicking the ball. I thought he tried it last week and hooked the ball badly so he reverted straight away. He needs to work on it away from the spotlight. I keep hearing he practices as much as anyone but what's the point of continually training a flawed technique?
Get Stevie j or Lloyd or someone down there. Forget the insular pride bullshit and get it sorted. At the moment he's a distraction and a momentum deflator.

Voss also needs to look at Ken Hinkley for management of key players. Hinkley dropped his captain when he wasn't performing. I'm not saying Cripps should be dropped but he should have been subbed out on Sunday. He was a liability and no one should be exempt from substitution.
Not only was he a liability defensively but our midfield structures are too often set up for him to be the hit receiver. So players like Dow don't have sufficient opportunity to showcase their abilities and play the game on their merits. We were getting flogged out of the middle and overt and IMHO, unwarranted loyalty cost us dearly. Consider Essendon* were missing Shiel, Parish and Setterfield and their B grade midfield embarrassed ours. Yet we did Jack shit to change it up.

I'm still a Voss fan but he needs to take down the hero posters from his office and treat every player the same. Playing favourites (as he initially should) has failed and it's time to select on merit.

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Goal kicking puts pressure on the scoreboard and takes it off of your defence and midfield.

Good post.

Exactly my thoughts.
A message needs to be sent.
I was thinking that Voss should've just parked Cripps up forward for half of that game once they move Merrett.
If I were to complain about 1 thing Voss does is that he is stubborn and as you've said he needs to break that loyalty if they are not performing.
We can't wait for that many required players to work through their problems in the seniors.

a mate of mine who played seniors with uni blues asked me “if Fev played his career for collingwood would he even get away with bagging the pies in public?” what would the players from his era do to him behind the scenes to pull him into line the fist time he was a little sook who obviously didn’t get enough time out in his own room as a player?

what does that say about our past players? some are maybe friends of people on here. what does that say about the carlton culture, historically and today?

to me the biggest downsides of blues success in the past was we just raided SA and WA and bought premierships. sure, they needed to play a good brand of football but individual brilliance always lifts merely good teammates playing around them. the payments under the table to two of my favorite players of all time by Eliot was ugly. heck Eliot himself was a sleazy bloke on multiple levels.

the crony capitalism model suited a “we’re Carlton F%#€ the rest, we’re the best” won us some premierships for sure in the VFL era when i grew up watching three Carlton games every saturday. but i suspect we failed to evolve when the VFL became AFL and developed into a more sophisticated marketing and product focused institution.

we didn’t get the model was now some kind of socialist-lite meritocracy, not a winner takes all, private money talks kind of world anymore. salary caps for players and footy departments, the draft rewarding losers! was like the upside down world has come to town. we carried on thinking we could just buy our way to success and fill the admin with past great players (and Sticks, no5 , SOS and diesel were all exceptional players) and it would take care of itself. but they didn’t know this knew world. mates rates didn’t cut it anymore. drafting players and list management required real patience and consideration of a huge number of things to optimise for, win/lose to keep the fans buying memberships, developing players for the future, understanding the evolution of the game and players required for the game in five to ten years time. sometimes we guessed wrong, drafting for running/repeat sprint capacity over kicking skills and footy nouse. thinking we could invent 18 Koutas just recruiting raw athletes with no natural flair for AFL.

but end of the day we made Fev (i blame pagan a bit, did same to Carey pumping up his ego until it was out of control and he cared about nobody but himself and his vanity). and we are still letting him disrespect the jumper. there’s obviously no ties that bind as far as Fev is concerned, even though he was a super talent. what kind of club are we?

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one of the great paradoxes of sport and known best to those who understand the humour of the sporting gods and goddesses who wind our toy soldiers up and watch them run around in the arena according to their spells.


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one of the great paradoxes of sport and known best to those who understand the humour of the sporting gods and goddesses who wind our toy soldiers up and watch them run around in the arena according to their spells.


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Tapatalk is total crap on iphone. freezes mid sentence all the time. locks up sometimes and have to reboot. triple posts as a result.


when can we move this shit show to Discord? pay me $100 and i’ll set it up to mirror the current sight as best i can. it’s like comparing a Tesla and an FJ.

Tapatalk is garbageware

I thought you said a week or two ago that selection integrity had nothing to do with it and it was all or almost all about ball movement?

I think you’ll agree we have a few issues and unfortunately quite a few are coalescing.

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I just read the normal site on my mobile. Is fine.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.