I hope you realise that wood & tutt are contracted for next year and jones for the next two years. In the event that we dumped all 3 of them, we'd still have to include their salaries into next years cap

Given that the average AFL salary is 300k, conservatively that would mean 900k+ in payouts next year based on 100k (wood), 200k (tutt) + 600k (jones X2)

Were you suggesting that Ellard, Carrazzo, Warnock, Watson, Judd, Johnson (r), Russell (r), Fields (r) took up 20+% of our salary cap this year? i.e. 2 mill+?

How the hell does our pathetic list have salary cap issues?

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I wonder if some of the player movement is based on tightening this up and players being unhappy the money is what the playing group is used to.

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If we lose the number 1 draft pick due to salary cap breaches you can put me down.

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Doesn't a club have to pay a minimum of 92.5% of cap.
So in reality not many clubs would have a massive cap space
You have a 7.5% band to work in

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I wouldn't be surprised and I hope so. Hendo was given a contract at the start of the year. It was probably substantially less than Daisy, Gibbs and Murphy contracts and SOS said take it or leave it.

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The figure is actually 95%, but any shortfall of that number is handed-out equally to the squad.


Surely Wood is on a rookie contract still at this point, perhaps with an option to be elevated with a deal in place. I really hope our contracting isn't so bad as to guarantee elevation/rookie nomination as a salary cap measure.

If it's the latter then yes there's a figure to pay, but standard rookie contracts are rolling contracts for three years at a fairly minimal amount. I suspect we modified those conditions for Wood, Byrne and Sheehan, but not to the extent you're implying; they're probably not pencilled in for more than 90-100k on the TPP before rookie discounts are applied.

Also, not a @#$%&! chance we picked up Tutt for much more than vet min (~$120k), and the TPP estimate for Jones is supposedly $250k. The sad fact is this is how some of our contracts look at the moment supposedly:

Judd - 500k
Murphy - 650k
Gibbs - 650k
Thomas - 650k
Warnock - 450k
Henderson - 450k
Kreuzer - 400k
Carrazzo - 400k
Simpson - 350k
Walker - 350k
Yarran - 350k

That's over 50% of the cap between 11, even after you account for the veteran's allowance (which is applicable to Walker, Simpson and Carrazzo).

The above isn't unusual for AFL lists; there's a big wage drop from being best 18 and not, though at the more successful clubs you typically see the guys at the tippy top sparing a $25-50k to sign up others on a fair wage.

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That makes sense actually so rather than him being told to find a new club, it was more if you're not happy with the money we're offering go find a new club.

I don't mean to doubt what em was told, but it doesn't make sense given the response from McKay and Barker today.

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Didn't we mention in the media from memory how we will level out our TPP based on modern standards?

I'm not sure anyone really thinks he was told at the start of the year he would be traded at the end of the year. It doesn't work like that, except on the internet.

I heard that on day one SOS invited him into his office just so he could tell him to GTFO

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Not quite. The story goes that SoS, on his first day as list manager, waited in the car park for Henderson to arrive told him as he was trying to get out of his car. Pushing the door back on him in between each word of GTFO. Bell, Yaz and Menzel all witnessed it.

They call SOS the toecutter and joke that Jack will be known as SOT.

Do you need to put down your dog?

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CARLTON could head to the national draft with as many as five top-20 selections then attempt to lure Bomber Jake Carlisle through the pre-season draft.

But hard-running onballer Tom Bell’s manager has confirmed to the Herald Sun he might seek a trade back to Brisbane in coming weeks.

Carlton’s expected big off-season overhaul started early when they lost swingman Lachie Henderson in sensational circumstances.

http://www.news.com.au/national/carlton ... 7492159567

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So
Pick 1
Pick 2 Kreuzer compo
Pick 10 Henderson
Pick 13 Yarran Richmond
Pick 14 Menzel Adelaide
Pick 20 2nd round
Pick 38
Pick 39 + Brisbane 3rd pick 2016 Bell

Carlisle PSD

There's a rebuild

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On wood - This is where you either need to do some research or have a half decent memory - wood signed a 2 year contract at the end of last year (proof -> see player profile on club website. IF wood was to be retained on a base rookie contract, then there would have been absolutely no need to sign wood up for 2 years unless we were raising his salary in order to compensate him sufficiently to forgo other opportunities that may have arisen.

Tutt & jones - you are underestimating their salaries. They weren't cut from their club but poached. They were brought in as best 22 players - we outbid the dogs on $$ + terms.

Using your numbers
- judd + warnock + carazzo = 1.250k (post-veterans)
- ellard, watson, johnson, russell, fields = <400k
- payout for wood/tutt/jones contracts = 720k+

Conservatively your savings are off by ≥15% (170k+)

Given that clubs and press don't seem to report on the structure of contract it's perfectly possible that it's a one-year contract with a one-year option. If it is, under the CBA, both parties need to agree to exercise the option.

Tutt was out of contract; Jones is supposedly on 250k. We would have to be certifiable to be paying them over 400k total.

Judd isn't a veteran, and the vet 'cap' is a percentage of the TPP (~1.222%); Johnson, Russell and Fields only have half of their base payment counted under the TPP and receive no match payments unless elevated and played.

Yeah the numbers were rough but my point being is provided Carlisle isn't brought in for stupid money there's a lot we can do with Warnock, Carrazzo, Henderson and Judd going off our books.

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