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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:41 am 
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Voss' new game plan is called chaos. His words not mine. His words he's used multiple times in the last few days.

Chaos definition is...

complete disorder and confusion.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:38 pm 
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Bert Deacon

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Paddycripps wrote:
Voss' new game plan is called chaos. His words not mine. His words he's used multiple times in the last few days.

Chaos definition is...

complete disorder and confusion.


Hahaha...yes, I heard him say that. Richmond, Collingwood, etc, play chaos football design to create disorder and confusion among their opponents. We play chaos football (driven by incompetence and poor coaching) to create disorder and confusion amongst ourselves. He's being a bit dishonest.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:26 pm 
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Apparently coach payouts are capped at 6 months salary.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:28 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
Apparently coach payouts are capped at 6 months salary.
Just like this year, his 2nd year at Brisbane, after finals first year, he won the first 4 games then 3 of the last 18, 2 against the two bottom sides. Coincidence or something in his coaching.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:02 pm 
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the reality is, he spent all offseason implementing a gameplan which does not stand up to modern footy or is even competitive. now he's backtracking from that with his invented on the run chaos-ball. great player, crap coach. would be good in footy admin - high iq, speaks well, knows the game well enough at that level.

but ultimately he took our list, and our little window and finger-banged into oblivion.


we are now a husk


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:02 pm 
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Parko was asked during the presidents dinner what he thought the problem was. He said a strong list needs about
30 bona fide AFL players. He thought ours only had x 20.
I tend to agree with him but I was surprised by his honesty.


Probably because the other ten are constantly injured.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:12 pm 
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I actually wasn’t that upset with the performance yesterday, maybe I’m numb or punch drunk, but what I saw was the team playing with dare, taking the centre corridor and being very positively. We’re regularly getting enough shots on goal to win, but our accuracy is abysmal, something like 30%, all we need is to raise that to somewhere between 50-60% and we’re winning most of our games.

I’m ok to stick with Voss for this year and next, as I said before, let’s see if he can learn. The end of next season is a time to review his performance.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:22 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
I actually wasn’t that upset with the performance yesterday, maybe I’m numb or punch drunk, but what I saw was the team playing with dare, taking the centre corridor and being very positively. We’re regularly getting enough shots on goal to win, but our accuracy is abysmal, something like 30%, all we need is to raise that to somewhere between 50-60% and we’re winning most of our games.

I’m ok to stick with Voss for this year and next, as I said before, let’s see if he can learn. The end of next season is a time to review his performance.


Interestingly on expected score Carlton win.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:39 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:

I’m ok to stick with Voss for this year and next, as I said before, let’s see if he can learn. The end of next season is a time to review his performance.




there is zero chance voss is here for all of next season like this. i think he'd have to basically win out from here to be here for round 1 2024.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:01 pm 
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Effes wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
I actually wasn’t that upset with the performance yesterday, maybe I’m numb or punch drunk, but what I saw was the team playing with dare, taking the centre corridor and being very positively. We’re regularly getting enough shots on goal to win, but our accuracy is abysmal, something like 30%, all we need is to raise that to somewhere between 50-60% and we’re winning most of our games.

I’m ok to stick with Voss for this year and next, as I said before, let’s see if he can learn. The end of next season is a time to review his performance.


Interestingly on expected score Carlton win.
Hasn't that been the case in several games - the expected score thing.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:32 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
I actually wasn’t that upset with the performance yesterday, maybe I’m numb or punch drunk, but what I saw was the team playing with dare, taking the centre corridor and being very positively. We’re regularly getting enough shots on goal to win, but our accuracy is abysmal, something like 30%, all we need is to raise that to somewhere between 50-60% and we’re winning most of our games.

I’m ok to stick with Voss for this year and next, as I said before, let’s see if he can learn. The end of next season is a time to review his performance.

Agree


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:55 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
daggs001 wrote:
Parko was asked during the presidents dinner what he thought the problem was. He said a strong list needs about
30 bona fide AFL players. He thought ours only had x 20.
I tend to agree with him but I was surprised by his honesty.


Probably because the other ten are constantly injured.
David parkin would be close to world record holder for using the term bona fide.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:36 pm 
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Effes wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
I actually wasn’t that upset with the performance yesterday, maybe I’m numb or punch drunk, but what I saw was the team playing with dare, taking the centre corridor and being very positively. We’re regularly getting enough shots on goal to win, but our accuracy is abysmal, something like 30%, all we need is to raise that to somewhere between 50-60% and we’re winning most of our games.

I’m ok to stick with Voss for this year and next, as I said before, let’s see if he can learn. The end of next season is a time to review his performance.


Interestingly on expected score Carlton win.

Wtf is "expected score?"

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:37 pm 
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For us?

About 6.14.50

Nah i dunno

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:11 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
the reality is, he spent all offseason implementing a gameplan which does not stand up to modern footy or is even competitive. now he's backtracking from that with his invented on the run chaos-ball. great player, crap coach. would be good in footy admin - high iq, speaks well, knows the game well enough at that level.

but ultimately he took our list, and our little window and finger-banged into oblivion.


we are now a husk

I dont think they'll sack him, not yet, only because we have had so many coaching changes and so little success with this over recent times that they will hesitate.

His aura and reputation as a player may have inspired some of our players early on, but the novelty has clearly worn off, and its now obvious the bloke cant coach. He has no tactical nous, or if he has, none of us can see it demonstrated on the field. In fact if anyone can see a coherent game plan please educate me. Chaos ball spare me, dont give us a punch line from Damien Hardwick's time at Richmond

At a minimum, he needs new assistant coaches, not nuff nuff mates, but smart, really smart analytical tacticians that Voss will listen to that compensate for his weaknesses. Left field get a high flyer from Champion Data, not just to look at the data but to implement a cutting edge tailored plan to put to the coaches that suits our strengths. I have always liked Justin Leppistch and the way he talks but Brisbane, Richmond and Collingwood why would he now move. If they sack Voss he'd move. Want someone smart but then not again not so smart that they confuse the players, many of whom arent that @#$%&! smart at all.

Sigh. Wish it hadnt come to this.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:55 pm 
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Oh god the whole expected score thing is now creeping into footy also?

Lies and damn statistics and all that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:22 pm 
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Yeah that stuff is a stain on soccer, don't bring it in here.

I expected us to kick 6 goals and a shipload of behinds, and that's what we did.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:28 pm 
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Watching the footy shows tonight..
we are being laughed at.

And we deserve it.


I know they say they ignore the noise… maybe they shouldn’t.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:48 pm 
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Kingy told us what we are not hearing in the media, that's going well for Voss.

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“Their forward 50 are eighth at scores per entry, but they’re 18th at goals per entry, so it is an accuracy thing. All their problems are small problems with large ramifications.

“I’m getting sick of the pile-on from their own.

“3.10 to 4.6 at half-time. That’s the game. If I was one of the hierarchy at Carlton I’d be going to Voss and saying, ‘Doing a lot right, mate. Keep going’.

“I’m not saying you fly blind and hope things turn. You’ve still got to challenge players to be better.

“I’m sort of getting a little bit frustrated with the pile-on because I don’t think all the numbers support the pile-on.

“The quick direction to go and sack the coach or put enormous pressure on him is wrong.

“I’ll tell you what we don’t hear. We don’t hear that in the last six weeks they’re the hardest team to move the ball against coast to coast – we don’t hear that.

“We don’t hear that their stuff between the arcs is actually very good defensively, top four or five in the competition – because they keep missing goals and eventually things puncture because you lose hope in game.”


Thanks for a reality check

Bad kicking is costing us games.
Everyone in football knows our forwards are letting us down.

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King lays the blame squarely with their goal kicking. In the last five weeks the Blues have kicked 3.10 (half-time), 2.5 (half-time), 4.8 (half-time), 5.10 (3QT) and 1.4 (half-time).

“The fact that they cannot convert in front of goal is so confidence-destroying to this outfit in game that it has brought a pressure of its own that has engulfed this whole forward 50 now,” he said.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/13/the-reasons-why-david-king-is-sick-of-the-michael-voss-pile-on-as-heat-rises/

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:50 pm 
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Lowey_47 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
daggs001 wrote:
Parko was asked during the presidents dinner what he thought the problem was. He said a strong list needs about
30 bona fide AFL players. He thought ours only had x 20.
I tend to agree with him but I was surprised by his honesty.


Probably because the other ten are constantly injured.
David parkin would be close to world record holder for using the term bona fide.

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In Parko's casse "bona fideeeee"....lol.


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