Cannot believe the hype about Krooz. He is average at best and that is bad for a number 1 pick.

I can't believe he has been compared to Simon Wiggins!

Only one problem with your theory...

Warnock can't take a mark!

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Imo, play kreuzer as a pure centre/ruck rover/tagger against the opposition's slower mids -> mitchell, watson, selwood, etc

Would not be giving up much in terms of pace, is a great tackler, strong enough to knock the other guys off the ball/can compete for the ball himself and would be focused enough to do a job on the opposition mid

Just watched the seconds game from last weekend. Warnock was dreadful. No presence at all, cannot mark the footy. Should not play seniors again. If he does we are in more trouble than we are at the moment. As mentioned elsewhere the cupboard is pretty bare and there must be a cleanout. Graham, Buckley, Bell (poor disposal), McInnes spring to mind as keepers but the fringe players are just not up to it.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Half way thru the year & again so much focus on trading/drafting etc. we have got ourselves in this mess. Hughes & the footy dept have cocked the list up over a significant period of time.

The 2010 draft was the icing on the cake. We drafted talls because we were lacking in this area. None bar McInnes have come up. Wrong selections.

Hope this ex Geelong recruiter can hit the target. We desperately need him to.

IMO kruse has been unfortunate. He has not got back to the form he had pre-injury. I remember a delightful player who would take marks, kick goals, work hard, give a contest etc the world was his oyster.

Someone like Brown, Franklin or Reiwoldt would have him blown up inside the fist fifteen minutes. He can cover ground at his own pace but not like those blokes. Franklin has the speed of Garlett when he is at full stride. Three false leads over 50 or 60 metres each and he'd be standing with his hands on his knees chucking up his guts.

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I think we all agree that we need a good KPF. Even if Casboult comes along, we will still need someone to support him post-Waite.
The way I see it, we have 3 options:

1) Premium CHF
2) Gettable CHF (discard, unhappy, underperforming)
3) Gettable CHB (& switch Lachie forward...)

Think we could get GWS pick for a Kruezer + 1st round (he is the best ruckman they could get and they need a ruckman and Boyd is unproven...) BUT we would not get anything of premium level for Hampson, Warnock or indeed anyone other than our 3 no.1s...

I'd make a play for Gumbleton or Watts at the right price - Gumby for 3rd round, Watts for 2nd round + player? Maybe Sam Reid, with Tippett going there?

However, my preference is to go for a strong CHB. This will come cheaper and is easier to find than a gun CHF. Also, we already have Henderson, Casboult and, for the short term, Waite. Someone like Frawley

The overlap is someone like Watts. We could go for him but play him CHB with Lachie going forward...

..why not get right in Jaksch's ear.. ..Buddy, Patton, Cameron.. ..no room for him up fwd with GWS.. ..so unless he's happy being relegated to KPD [and it's what helped us get Hendo from brissie, ironically], maybe we can get him to be open to a trade back to vic [and us!!]..

..Jaksch will be cheaper than what they will want for pick 1..

..and i'd still be looking for a KPD, to either release Hendo fwd just the same [waite ain't around too much longer], and also for Jamo insurance, since he's not got a good track history injury wise.. ..this year is deceptive, sure he's played every game but his shoulder's popped out at least twice..

..hey Doc, how about we see if GWS will do Jamo and Knockers for Jaksch and their pick 11..?.. ..open to sweeten deal..

edit - DocShez, just saw your reply in the other thread.. ..so if you reckon they won't wanna trade any of their young guns, what's your read on the adams scenario?, since he's delaying signing..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

..i still think Frawley could be gettable, if we get in his ear and tell him how much we like him..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Selective quote there.

I compared their attitudes to the club. I also went on to say that
"I am not suggesting Wiggo is Kreuzer."

As an aside, we would love Wiggo in this climate of contested footy. He'd revel in it.

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Getting a recruiter to fit inside his ear may prove problematic, and may increase any risk we take on recruiting him if he ends up deaf, no matter how nice the things we're putting inside ear.

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Why aren't we running blokes through our firsts team to see what we actually have? Cachia and MEnzel, is that it in 2013?

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Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

how keen are GWS for a ruckman and what are their options?

..we ran some during the pre-season, and for some that was enough.. ..considering there's very little pushing up out of the ressies, the cupboard's bare.. [mostly, few exceptions]

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Melbourne might be ripe for the plucking.
Nobody would want to stay there. Would they??

Anybody else worth looking at? Sylvia? Watts? Nathan Jones?

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Played 35. McInnes and Graham the next couple of weeks to make it 37. Paddy Mac, Collins, ROK been injured.....doesn't leave much.

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Please say your joking

Jobe would get 40 touches knowing he could completely ignore kruz

Kruz would get 8 to 12

People kept suggesting kruz elsewhere other than ruck

My god he just can't read the play away from the contest

As a mid he needs to run to space link up etc all things he can't do when playing on a ruck, imagine how easy a mid would close him down

Kreuzer's body work is pretty good around stoppages as is his tackling. In that regard what makes you suggest that he would have no impact on watson's game?

Kreuzer gets his 8-12 whilst rucking (ie not in the best position to get the ball himself at stoppages) - its not inconceivable that he might get one or two more playing only as a mid

There are creative game plan strategies around this I'm sure.
Eg. when they lead to certain areas, a switch is done and Krooz becomes the spare. When Brown et al return, Krooze picks him up etc.
When you look at the proliferation of game plans and strategies over the last 5 years, this issue is a drop in the ocean
BTW, Brown will be finished in a year or two
Ditto Riewoldt

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