Heeney's the club champion and local boy, he won't leave. I'd be trying to get Gulden, who's also local but grew up supporting Carlton so might be tempted. Both are a great fit for us skills and leadership wise. Gulden is practically a player-coach out there.

We're not giving up both our key forwards and certainly not for such modest returns. Why do you keep proposing such rubbish trades? Do you get a kick out of rating our players lower than everyone else?

Errol Gulden is 23. I could literally stop there. I'm pretty confident we've seen their best - so to me that's a decent trade. Both on borrowed time. Now's the time to, at the very least, get rid of one.

Why do Carlton supporters rate them so highly? (Please don't respond with Norm Smith Medals. That's not going to happen again. They've peaked...and deep down you all know it).

I’m with Doc on this.

We have a history of massively overrating our players and missing out on decent returns for them until it’s too late.

Because “loyalty”.

Apparently that doesn’t go both ways.

Charlie and Harry are both A grade players when they’re on song but between them that’s been about 20% of their careers if we’re being generous.

They are both regularly flakey and conditional the rest of the time.

If we could bring younger A grade talent into the club for those two then do it.

To simplify it let’s go Charlie for Errol and Harry for 2.

There’s this thing in list management that doesn’t get discussed enough which is longevity.

Swapping a 30yo A grade forward for a 23yo A grade midfielder is a no brainer.

3-4 years for 10?

Sign me up.

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Key forwards are far rarer than midfielders. Sydney are desperate for a key forward, absolutely desperate. We hold the cards here but you sad sacks want to lay down and give them up for buttons. Think for a second what a transformational signing Harry McKay would be for the Sydney Swans. Look at the length of his contract. Pick 2? Give me a break! You'd have us go from having 2 key forwards with proven goalscoring records to having, what, Lemmey? Great idea. Harry is only 27, he could have another half dozen great seasons. Jeremy Cameron is 5 years older and the media is spaffing their pants at the prospect of him cracking the ton. You two probably would have traded him for Clayton Oliver in 2020.

Anyway, there is precisely zero chance we will trade both players so this is just shits and giggles at the end of the day

Yep - we have some decent cards. But take the blinkers off! They won't be good cards this time next year. They're not that good!

Who do we bomb, bomb, bomb to then?

Good KPP's are hard to find at the best of times, yet people want to just give ours away. Even if we may have seen the best of them, they both have Normies that should be leveraged in any trade deals, if we go down that path.

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We'll have Smith, Walker and Dean around this time next year, not to mention Walsh, HOF and Cottrell. We can do without having to try and get a key forward at the same time, why needlessly create a hole in our list?

Harry’s a flake and Charlie’s on one elderly leg when he can be bothered.

If they want to offer more then great, but considering how many years each have left I don’t think they’d be selling the farm for either.

At the very least get rid of one of them.

Between them the’ve played about 300 games out of a possible 400 or so.

How many games have they played well together?

Paying two players a million apiece to fulfill one role isn’t good list management.

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Gee ... if only they'd won Norm Smith medals !!

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Possibly true of CC if his knees are buggered, although who knows what kind of spring he might get in his step when living at Coogee.

As for H, I'm not convinced this is true at all. He's had his mental health issues this year, but still turned in multiple match winning performances and finished the season strongly. He's 27 and physically in great shape. Jeremy Cameron had 3 of his best 4 seasons at age 29+ (the other at 26).

GWS, I'd be open to letting one go - strong preference would be to trade CC because H offers ruck work, elite contested marking up the ground, and seems to be in better physical shape. No complaints at all with the idea that we should spread the cap to other areas of need. It's the idea of ditching both (with no keys coming the other way) that I find outrageous; that and the knock down price in a seller's market.

The issue is we started a defacto rebuild last year. We have already let TDK and JSOS out the door. If we trade out Curnow or Harry it will then set alarm bells ringing that Carlton are in full rebuild again and go down before it goes up
There is not quality player in the comp that will commit to a rebuilding club.
Lose them we are six years plus in the bottom part of the ladder
Can this club and supporters stomach that again

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@Syd nope, I am in no mood for a full rebuild. And you made a point I meant to earlier, which is that we already down two big bodies, so losing another two for a midfield dwarf and a draft pick would render us uncompetitive. No thanks, not for me.

@#$%&! No to another 66 game rebuild... we need to be a bit more savvy this time around.

Bring in talent, not draft picks.

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Voss only has one year left on his contract. He won't want a full list rebuild.

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Jagga

Yes. Norm Smith medals are reserved for teams that make the grand final. We haven't been in one this millennium.

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We need draft picks to bring in talent. Jagga Smith is talented, Harry Dean is talented and Cody Walker is talented.

What we don't want is a McGovern/Fantasia/Fogarty/Lewis Young type that just clogs up the list.

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Jagga

what about the henderson pick???

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my last one was rubbish

wasnt that the theme sing for the world series cricket in the 80's???

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my last one was rubbish