Sorry. I didnt make it clear I was connecting the trade of a contracted player with pay outs of contracts and trades as ways to change list despite contract in place. Its the AFL landscape.

I gave examples of players and coaches who have recently been moved on and paid out despite being in contract.

That contracts are not a life sentence.

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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-wrap-latest-news-on-zac-fisher-lewis-young-tyler-brockman-the-no1-pick-and-liam-henry/news-story/2860dd69fea772470368e369602e608b

Like I said, a few faves are going to be moved on, so don't be obsessive, or surprised, and don't suggest the thought is ludicrous. Its business.

We need to do whatever we can to keep the players we want to keep and not have to force them out like we did with Setterfield last year when Dow didn't want to go to Sydney when the opportunity was created for him. Dow didnt go, and as a result we were compelled to force Setterfield out to make room for targets in the draft to balance out of player profile: Much needed youth, not 26-30yo.

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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-wrap-latest-news-on-zac-fisher-lewis-young-tyler-brockman-the-no1-pick-and-liam-henry/news-story/2860dd69fea772470368e369602e608b

So we are making space in the cap, shaving $300k+ off Govs contract and $600+ from Plowman's contract.

Did someone say we are in strife with our salary cap?

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So, I don't really understand the AFL player market... but if NM is offering Fisher 5 years, doesn't that mean we should be demanding far more than a 3rd rounder? I realise I'm muddling the trade of a contracted player with free agency, but... uh... what am I saying? I dunno. But I want more!

Also, I'd have no problems with trading LOB for a 4th rounder or whatever, just don't like the idea of buying out contracts and dumping players in the absence of disciplinary issues. Seems a dishonorable course of action. Maybe the football fraternity don't have a problem with it.

Also, I don't know why I keep forgetting Lewis Young exists! So if he's sticking around, and we're thrilled with Lemmey and O'Keefe's progress, what is the reason again for re-signing Sam Durdin and his patchy fitness record? Also, what happens if Alex Mirkov is unable to continue his career - contracted until the end of 2024 if I'm not mistaken?

Agree on both counts. If North want a contracted player off us and are willing to offer him a further 3 years so 5 years all up, they need to offer more than a 3rd rounder.

If another club makes us an offer - pretty much any offer for LOB let him go. Otherwise, we have to honour the contract.

I'm sure Austin wants more too GE.

North don't have their own 2nd round pick, but they do have Adelaide's 2nd rounder which is what Austin would be eyeing.
North know we are shopping players who are ample to our needs, and Fish is one, and he has had a couple bites.
Others we are open to discussing a trade have generated no interest.
Dow is out of contract and can go anywhere he wants, to a degree.
Club doesn't want to discard developing "kids" who are out of contract (for obvious reasons) regardless that some posters think is a fait accompli.

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RE Fisher offer: But that's not to say Austin/ Carlton would not accept a 3rd rounder for Fisher. Have to wait and see how that plays out.

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Mirkov can retire early, or doctor's may force his retirement, and make an agreement with Carlton on the pay out sum, just as Buddy has done at Sydney. Mirkov can play hard ball and demand is contract payment and hang around the club if he wants.

Buddy didnt take the whole $1.2M he was owed in his last year. Sydney and Buddy agreed on a figure, not the full entitlement. Win Win because Buddy has plenty of money, wasn't going to be playing next year, and had a new pad and life waiting for him on the Gold Coast. Having done that, Buddy has an opportunity to be involved with GCS in a development role.

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3rd round (38 as it stands) would be as square a deal as you could get.

Consider the likelihood that the extension he signed last year was more about moving his salary into a different column… Norf would be taking that salary off our books AND offering up a pick in the 30s.

There’s 5-6 bid candidates in the best 20-odd draftees, but half of them are heading to Gold Coast. That being the case, 38 may in fact move up not down.

Whatever the case, it’s a ticket into a market that we’re not currently able to attend.

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I’d take the first round mid season pick next year. Could easily be Pick 1 or 2. Probably worth more than Pick 30-40 in the draft

Moving Fish on allows us to clear more off Salary Cap and it’s a role we can cover with Williams Boyd Cincotta Cowan Binns etc

100%

-The suggestions of coaches getting paid out as being the same as players being paid out is farcical at best.
One is soft cap which is rarely used in full and the other is salary cap which is tight and heavily scrutinised.
- Trading on LOB is a more realistic scenario, like Setterfield last year.
- The other issue regarding the need to bring in two rookies is not as linear as suggested.
Why can't one or two of the current rookies be promoted and then there is space to add the 2 rookies, especially if we are trading out players etc.
- Regarding salary cap space, clubs only go to Ireland if your space is tight or the talent in Australia is not there and there is plenty of talent in Australia at the moment.
- I get we are moving players on and creating space but we may also be eyeing of more mature talent to trade in this year at a cost (Gresham) or we are looking to lock in developing players longer.

And Bondi if you actually know something say you know rather than the ambiguous comments like LOB won't be here at the end of the year or next.
Which one is it, because we all know his contract ends next year anyway, stop sitting on the fence as you've stated.

I couldn’t imagine a less appealing offer. It doesn’t even sound like a real thing.

How would it convey if we don’t have a spot?

What shithousery has gone on to overlook the SSP - where there is no ballot - in favour of waiting six months?

If poor old bondi has walked the payout plank & is in the drink, flailing about for a lifeline… trading for a mid season draft pick wouldn’t have made it on to the boat.

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Play this like Hawthorn did with us back in the day.

'you want Brett Johnson? You're taking Daniel Harford too'

You want Zac? Take LOB.

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AND we will take a third-round draft pick (Zac plus LOB, plus a third rounder).

If NO to LOB, then really IMO a third rounder for Fish on exposed evidence this season is under 's and the fact he is still contracted, suggests a third rounder is a STARTING point in negotiations....

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Mid season draft always has players I wish we could pick to fill a void.

Reverse view draft. Starting with the end in mind.

Thanks for the bump.

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Yeah right Cru.

I find most of your points have been discussed and the point about caps is not farcical...they are contracts and they are caps. Full stop. Yes we know Ratten is a coach. yes we know Stewart is a player. get it. Its a friggin contract. Your tone is mischievous.

We've discussed the rookie upgrades, we've discussed everything you state, and mate, if you want to quote me, quote me, where did I post what you suggest? Find it. Then I will answer it. You may be representing what I said very wrong.

You're making up stuff and for that reason I couldn't be stuffed pulling you up on every point and revelations you see. You're a smart fella but find where i said what you suggested and we'll discuss that next, if you could be stuffed.

I've got guests and we're having a laugh.

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Not sure what this is all about, but if I'm reading this right...personal attack???.... if so, youre being a flower and wasting my time with this sort of rubbish

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Calm down mate. Check your tablets.

It’s just a metaphor.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

Soooooo...........you don't know anything then?

You speak about contracts as if you are the only one who understands them. I've been in business for over 25 years, I think I know how contracts work.
But we are not really speaking about contracts are we, we are speaking about wasting valuable salary cap space and the suggestion of paying out a contract for nothing in return.
If our list management and Austin do this then we really need to be asking, can they do their job properly.

And yes, I can't be stuffed quoting you...........I'm sure you can read your posts on the last two pages to see what you wrote if you can't remember.

As for you having guests over, aside from the absolute weirdness of the comment, may I suggest if you are posting on TC while you have guests over you may need to find more entertaining ones.