Our best 22?

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Blueboy74 wrote:

Psych Collingwood lost Paine as well. You used him as an example when you want to talk up Brisbane's fwd prospects, but leave him out from Collingwood's losses.

IMO, Thomas and Shaw are greater losses than Hampson and Betts. Obviously.

I've asked numerous times who are the Carlton equivalents of Thomas and Shaw that we'd be happy to get rid of to get another early picks and I never get an answer. Would have to be Walker, Gibbs, Kreuzer....

They picked up 3 top 15 players. Adams, Schranberg, Freeman.
We picked up 2 Cripps, Docherty and Thomas who at 26 (ankle permitting) is hardly finished.

Everitt vs White is close. Everitt cost nothing, White a 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Marsh was Pick 77, because he's seen as athlete before footballer vs Sheehan, Byrne, Ellis and Holman. Could all be busts, but time will tell.

Karnezis and Armstrong are list cloggers. Karnezis might make it, but on what we've seen so far he'd be exactly the kind of guy that TC dislikes.

Tall, athletic, poor decision maker, poor execution and talk of lack of dedication.

Not arguing who did better, just outlining that on paper it might be closer than people think.

True, forgot about Paine. Honest mistake, but they have replaced him with White. White may well suit their list better. Sometimes you have to give something to get something. Doesn't mean they are good players.

It's almost impossible to match up one club against another. I never said we should of copied Collingwood but I do believe they did very well. As did St Kilda, Brisbane & GWS.

My reasoning was that Buckley is trying to put his stamp on the team and has moved on players like Shaw at the height of their pricing!

Thomas, they were happy to keep but didn't want to pay the price and knew they would get a Top 10 pick in return. To replace Shaw & Thomas with Adams, Freeman & Scharenberg is a great example of continually improving and refreshing your list. It never stops.

In fairness to the club we don't have a lot to trade. Why? because we haven't recruited well or turned our list over enough in the past few years.

It's something that i don't believe we have got a handle on, yet.

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:30 pm

..even if the pies do well out of it, i will always see them as a youngish team that was repeat top 4, then back to back grand-finalists [winning 1], who with no real 'need' for change, have brought about change, and subsequently have tumbled back down the ladder, when their 'flag' was wide open.. .... ..they have to do tremendously well to justify the 'mini-rebuild' when they ought to be locked in top 4 flag contention..

camel · **Posted:** Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:13 pm

Can't believe there's been 90-odd pages of discussion about this.

The answer is pretty obvious.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:40 pm

DocSherrin wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Yep - footballers. Exactly Bondi. This is why I agree with you more often than not. :wink:

Sorry don't intend to put you in the "stupid" basket with me.... :razz:

You said it! :lol:

Didn't you boys want Joel Tippett? :lol:

Mate I was desperate for talls. With 4 gone and Jamo's and Waite injury concerns we are vulnerable in that area and I dont want Walker as our KP coz that's what we'll get if a few big boys go down...then there's Warnock and Casboult who are injury prone too.

I saw Tippett this year, live, and in that lower league he looked good; really good. Hard to tell how he'd go in the AFL. He looked mobile. From what I saw, Mitchell and McCarthy (delisted both) didnt come close to Tippett, but I guess that doesnt say much.

I wanted Tippett or Thorp as talls to give us some depth in that area. I knew nothing about Giles, and I dont think many had him on their radar. Really excited about his prospects. Looks good on highluights but time will tell. The fact that he can play a lock down role on a KPF is a bonus. I'm glad we took a quality tall. Obviously valued higher than Tippett and Thorp.

Recruitment isnt my strength I'll admit that. Its a bit of a punt imo. Its even tough for the recruiters at Carlton, but then again it is their business to get it right.

Having said that I do value everyone's suggestions of what may be. I wouldnt be surprised if we picked up one of Thorp or Tippett as Rookies or even the PSD with one of our remainuing 4-5 picks.

Next year, I expect the final clean out of list cloggers and plenty of new faces from a deeper draft....back to the theme of the thread...the 2015 Best 22 should compete against GWS and GC.

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:08 pm

With regards to key forwards, if we don't find one in this draft then we just need to put as much time in to Casboult's kicking as we possibly can.

Best set of hands at the club since Fish and Fev IMO.

mantis · **Joined:** Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:15 pm **Posts:** 345

I agree Phoenix. His hands are great and his feet stink.

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:31 pm

Correct. The question is - can it be fixed?

If it can, we have a serious forward on our hands.

Blue Sombrero · **Posted:** Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:56 pm

camelboy wrote:

Can't believe there's been 90-odd pages of discussion about this.

The answer is pretty obvious.

You want to clone him or raise him from the dead?
Either way he'll need a few seasons to adjust to the pace of the game.
I think there are other options.

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:23 pm

phoenix johnson wrote:

Correct. The question is - can it be fixed?

If it can, we have a serious forward on our hands.

..i have no idea.. ..thing is, it's not like he kicks [for example] always to the right, and he can just adjust his 'aim' accordingly.. ..his kicks have no consistency, his technique has no consistency.. .... ..he's exactly what you expect out of a big rookie.. ..i would hold onto him though, cos i dont understand why a kicking action [and almost anything in life really] cannot be improved upon..

..his training should consist solely of kicking practice, and running laps.. ..i wouldn't even bother with ruck coaching, and i actually think he has some natural KPF footy smarts.. ..needs to be much, much fitter and sort out his kicking, would be great to get super accurate, but honestly just needs to become afl standard, and he'll be a very good asset..

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:54 am

Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

phoenix johnson wrote:

Correct. The question is - can it be fixed?

If it can, we have a serious forward on our hands.

..i have no idea.. ..thing is, it's not like he kicks [for example] always to the right, and he can just adjust his 'aim' accordingly.. ..his kicks have no consistency, his technique has no consistency.. .... ..he's exactly what you expect out of a big rookie.. ..i would hold onto him though, cos i dont understand why a kicking action [and almost anything in life really] cannot be improved upon..

..his training should consist solely of kicking practice, and running laps.. ..i wouldn't even bother with ruck coaching, and i actually think he has some natural KPF footy smarts.. ..needs to be much, much fitter and sort out his kicking, would be great to get super accurate, but honestly just needs to become afl standard, and he'll be a very good asset..

Good thing is that Casboult is working with a movement coach to help him with his kicking.
The club acknowledges his and everyone's weaknesses and areas needing development.

I dont believe for a minute that the club isnt onto development and improving all their players.
The facilities and support staff are there and they are on the program, unlike what some think is going on.

The Pagan era is over.
The Ratten era is over.
The Cordy era is over.

I'm hoping we see a serious improvement in Casboult's set shot kicking.
He needs a process to develop and execute the same over and over again.
Can improve. I'd put money on it we'll see a better kick from him next year.
Sure he'll spray a couple here and there, but not 3 in every 4.

His mits are worth their weight in ....what's that new metal 60 times stronger than steel?

Salsiccia · **Posted:** Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:17 pm

I'd just like to add that Tom Hawkins was an ordinary kick early on. Additionally, there was talk of paying Cloke $1m. He is not a very good kick.

Refreshing to read a thread where no-one is having a go at someone - haven't read 90 pages tho ;-)

jimmae · **Posted:** Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:28 pm

Wait until you see some people's repeated philosophies for picking a 22; you'll not be able to help yourself. :lol:

Effes · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:09 am

Jimmae...any chance of an updated teamboard?

jimmae · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:41 pm

Effes wrote:

Jimmae...any chance of an updated teamboard?

Jesus, settle down.

Refresh the page.

blueboy23 · **Posted:** Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:22 pm

Nab squad of 24, yep I am bored,
No chance but would like to see,
Temay White McInnes
Bootsma Watson Docherty
Armfield Gibbs (c) Lucas
Reynolds Rowe Menzel
Yarran Casboult Johnson
Wood Bell Graham
From; Ellard Cachia Giles
Buckley Curnow Duigan
Hoping Reynolds and Johnson can play
some quality footy and hold down there
positions in the forward line..

blueboy23 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:47 pm

Hoping too see, not likely,
Simpson Jamison Tuohy
Docherty Watson Walker
Yarran Carrazzo Gibbs
Thomas Henderson Menzel
Kreuzer Waite Garlett
Warnock Judd Murphy
I/C: Robinson Everitt
Bell SUB; Graham
Probably McLean and Scotland come in for
Graham and Docherty..
Like the youth of Menzel, Docherty and Graham..
Would also like too see Cripps and Giles push for selection..
Loads of flexibility, plenty of runners..

Meekster · **Joined:** Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:57 am **Posts:** 154

Haven't seen any training only read reports so no great insight
But bored so thought I'd have a crack
Still a few areas of concern
CHB - went with Rowe, but could be Watson; no real confidence in either :banghead:

but need Hendo fwd
Ruck - went with 1 only, Rowe give the chop out with White rotating through CHB :yikes:

FF - Waite, but not likely to play > 50% of season - if No Waite have Rowe FF, Watson CHB
Really want to see Gibbs in the PIVOT :thumbsup:

Know nothing about Docherty but seems good user so HBF or wing

Simo Jamo Everitt
Walker Rowe Docherty
Thomas Gibbs Tuohy
Judd Hendo Robbo
Garlett Waite Yarran

R: Kreuz Murph Carazzo

Int: Brock Bell White Sub: Scotto

Preferred changes:
Menzel for Yarran - but doesn't have the tank yet, maybe later in the year
Graham for Robbo or Bell as better disposal, but needs to prove himself first

White ahead of McInnes as can take best or second best forward eg J Riewoldt
No Warnock - not enough posessions/marks for me - if that improves he's in
Curnow or Carazzo, not both
Armfield no obvious spot

Cas, Boots, Lucas, Buckley, Ellard, Cachia, Temay - all top up options only
Cripps - will get a game when ready for a Robbo, Bell, Brock type

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

FB: McInnes(21) Jamison(27) Tuohy(24)
HB: Walker(27) Henderson(24) Simpson(29)
C: Everitt(24) McLean(27) Thomas(26)
R: Kreuzer(24) Murphy(26) Gibbs(24)
HF: Armfield(27) Waite(30) Robinson(24)
FF: Yarran(23) Casboult(23) Garlett(24)

Int: Warnock(26) Curnow(24) Judd(30)
Sub: Menzel(19) / Graham(19)

If Casboult comes good and Waite stays on the park we are set.

Not sure where Scotland and Carrazzo fit in.

Must force way in this year or gone:

Watson (HB)
Bell (Mid)
Cachia (Mid)
Buckley (Small Fwd)
Lucas (Wing)
White (Def)
Ellard (Mid)
Rowe (Def)
Temay (Mid)

Developing

Docherty (Def/Mid)
Cripps (Mid)
Giles (Def)
Holman (Mid)
Bootsma (Def/Wing)

Rookies

Reynolds (Fwd)
Sheehan (Irish)
Johnson (Fwd)
Byrne (Irish)

harker · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 am **Posts:** 2345

Best 22? Todays version:

Simpson Jamison McInnes
Tuohy Henderson Docherty ..... This allows Walker forward yet enough experience and quality down back.

Warnock Curnow Murphy
Thomas McLean Yarran

Gibbs Casboult Menzel
Garlett Waite Walker

Judd Everitt Carrazzo Bell....... Tall and running coverage

Bolt from the Blue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:18 am **Posts:** 1901

For Round 1:
B: McInness Jamison Everitt
HB: Simpson Watson Walker
C: Tuohy Murphy Gibbs
HF: Robinson Henderson Yarran
F: Garlett Casboult Waite
Foll: Kreuzer McLean Thomas
Int: Armfield Curnow Docherty Bell
Contrary to popular belief I do not think Curnow is best 22 for the year, with the likes of Armfield, Robinson and Tuohy in our side. But I have squeezed him in for Round 1.

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