Unless Adelaide come up with an established mid SOS won't trade.

If they come up with 2 first round picks I reckon he will.

If this is how it went down (including Gibbs), it would leave us with 5 (Taranto/Brodie/AInsworth/Petrevski-Seton), 13 (Florent/Powell-Pepper/Drew), 25 (Berry/Venables/Gallucci) and 55 this year. Add Marchbank, Pickett, Smedts and any other steak knives that might come our way.

Next year you'd also expect we'll have (minimum, and taking Academy/FS into account) 3, 18, 22 as a starting point.

Would this be a win?

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I would hope to improve slightly on this year's result, although there has been some hectic stuff happening below us.

I would hope to finish 11-13, which would give us a first pick of 7. By the time GWS and GCS jump over us with academy picks again, that will be around selection 9.

I think the bottom of the ladder will be interesting next year. No standout wooden spoon for example.

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... we may yet end up with 8, 13 and Marchbank (alone) for second rounder, before the day is done.

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I am not sure how you expect us to improve on this years result without Gibbs. Our depth in the midfield is shallow and that will not imrove in the short term so without him we will struggle.

We lost Tuohy from the 2017 list.

We got a few through the door for 2018:

Marchbank...currently recovering from surgery
Pickett...currently recovering from surgery
Smedts...currently recovering from surgery
Palmer...currently suspended for first round 2017

We have pick 5 22 42 63. Nice.

Glad to get Marchbank and Pickett.
Glad we didn't give Gibbs away for pick 13

Not happy to give away 2017 first round pick
Not happy miss out on a bonafide young midfielder..would have liked to get Lyons for our pick 42 or 63, Steele

Lets hope the new boys recover and have a great preseason and great 2017.

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We gave Geelong's 2017 first away.

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IN: Billie Smedts, Rhys Palmer, Caleb Marchbank, Jarrod Pickett, picks 48, 63, 66, 70

OUT: Zach Tuohy, picks 45, 58, 135, 2017 2nd RD pick.

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The one big unexpected positive out of this is that Cripps and Murphy will still have some support.

The one big unexpected negative is that Bryce is going to be very, very bitter.


Maybe we offer to trade him to Port next year ?>?

Didn't we give away the GWS 2017 2nd round? Not ours?

Edit - gave it to Cats. My bad.

Gibbs can be bitter but Adelaide need to take part of the blame as well. If they really really wanted him they could have come to the party. West Coast wanted Kennedy to part with Judd (ie: we really wanted Judd). Perhaps Adelaide didn't really want Gibbs.

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Overall pretty happy with our trade period. Not quite as good as last year but I think the Gibbs scenario really did stopped us getting a few other things done.
Glad we kept our first two picks.

Yep in that scenario we would be selling GWS 2017 2nd round pick back to GWS??

No complaints from me - I guess it will come down to how much value we get from Marchbank and Pickett.
Would have been nice however to get Steele or Hrovat cheaply to help shore up our midfield.

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Stuff Adelaide. The equation was simple: we didn't want Bryce to leave but his situation meant that he wanted to - so if the Crows wanted him (after talking him into it), they had to make a deal. They didn't.

Interestingly, I chatted to an Adelaide die hard on the first day of trade period. On the subject of Gibb's worth, I suggested probably pick 13 and the Crows second rounder (pick 31-ish). The supporter agreed that would be fair. The Crows couldn't even get that far.

So by my count we now have 37 on the primary list.

If we take 6 picks in the draft we need to cut 3 more players.

?????

Agree completely.

I was actually hoping we'd trade Gibbs before the whole 'family welfare' story broke. So I was naturally hoping we'd get compensated well from Adelaide and we'd end up with another first rounder (13) in the draft. I thought a 1st round and 2nd round would have been fair. Not massive overs, but slightly in our favour, which is what you do for a contracted player who would get you to a Grand Final. GWS paid a 1st and 3rd for Deledio, who's 29 and nowhere near as resilient as Gibbs. Deledio even took a pay cut.

I am of the opinion that Adelaide thought that we'd blink first, because we wouldn't stop Gibbs from leaving. While I am quite disappointed that the deal didn't get done, I fully expect Bryce to be professional and get on with it. There'd be a lot of questions being asked, within Adelaide, as to why they couldn't get this over the line. SOS didn't blink first.

What it does do though, is send a clear message to the competition that Carlton are no longer going to be walked over at the trade table. This will serve us very well moving forward.

What does make me nervous, though, is a Cam MCcarthy type scenario where Gibbs doesn't play, or plays really poorly, and we lose him next year for much less than what we could have got this year. We can only turn it over to Carlton's welfare team (do we have one???) to help Bryce and his family find a solution that allows him to continue to play his best football.

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Nah...he can play in the NB's for the next 3 years if that's his bag. Having said that I don't think that's his bag. Time will tell.

We had to hit rock bottom to get him with pick 1, and develop him, and get Judd in to expedite his development, and pay him handsomely for some below par performances, and gave him the opportunity to live his dream as a one club player by giving him a 5 year contract...no way we did anything wrong.

Everyone knows and says openly Adelaide need a player of his ilk to help them deal with their glaring weakness in the midfield. They offered us pick 13 for an umknown and a player they discarded pick 63. That does not come close to pick 1 and a strong bodied, resilient 200 game player and club champion, who faired well in the Brownlow and has another 5 years of great footy ahead of him. Adelaide wouldn't offer Carlton pick 13 and maybe pick 16 for a Pick 1 proven player who could help them win a premiership. They disgust me if they think we were unreasonable.

Anyone would agree they would have to pay overs for a contracted player and they didn't. Now they are sooking after they derailed a bottom 4 team's trade period. Disgusting bulliy behaviour imo.

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So as best as I can tell, its 38 players on the list with 6 Cat A rookies, and 3 Cat B rookies. If we don't use both Veteran slots (for the purpose of reducing their wage by half, for the salary cap) we may nominate rookies, who can be selected as though they were on the senior list. We have Grandpa Simpson, so we can nominate one rookie.

Up to 3 rookies can be retained for a 2nd or 3rd year. Others they have to be elevated or delisted.

Seniors are:

Silvagni, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Buckley, Kreuzer, Cripps, McKay, Kerridge, Boekhorst, Lamb, Jones, Docherty, DVR, Rowe, Jaksch, Sumner, Plowman, Tutt, Weitering, Whiley, Armfield, Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Graham, Everitt, Phillips, Ed Curnow, Gorringe, Thomas, Casboult, White, Wright

That's 34 players with the addition of:

Marchbank, Pickett, Smedts, and Palmer

Senior list is now 38

Rookies:

Sheehan, Gowers, Byrne, Gallucci, JGM, Korcheck (Cat B)

So I think they'll elevate Byrne, but put him straight on the Long Term Injury List.

They can only offer 3 rookies extensions beyond a year, so I think they'll keep JGM, Gallucci. This means we fairwell Sheehan, Gowers, and Korcheck.

Since you have to use at least 3 picks in the draft we need to delist 4 (if my guess on elevating Byrne is correct).

The talkingcarlton contract tracker has Tutt out of contract so I'd start by delisting him. I thought he had one year left to go though??? Sad he didn't make it. Loved his explosiveness but rued his disposal efficiency. I think they'll delist Whiley. They had Graham in front of him for midfield depth. DVR hasn't developed fast enough so I think he'll be gone. In a best case scenario, he'll be picked up during the Rookie draft and we'll give him another year that way. Due to our forward line concerns, I can't see us delisting Everitt. I think they'll give him another year. That means we move either Graham or Buckley. Since we'll be recruiting a midfielder with Pick 5, and we just brought in Palmer for depth, I'd delist Graham (with some regret because I've always liked his tackle rate). Lets himself down with decision making with the ball. Buckley shows glimpses and deserves another year.

Delistings: Sheehan, Gowers, Korcheck, Tutt, Whiley, DVR, Graham

That gives us 3 picks in the draft with Pick 5, 25, 48 (before academy etc). I think I'd leave pick 63 alone because either Everitt or Buckley would have to make way for them, and I don't think pick 63 would a better option.

That also gives us 3 rookie selections.

DVR selected as a rookie.

While I would suggest DVR as the nominated rookie, I think their is more to gain by letting all the Rookies know that there are 'no limits' and that there is a spot up for grabs. Award the nominated rookie to the player who works for it during the pre-season. Likewise, I would elevate JGM or Gulluci for the injured Byrne, or use it as further incentive for the Rookies to prove their worth.

Should be pretty exciting to watch.

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