Agree BV ludicrous to have white in front of Jamison -Jamison is no star and needs to play to his limitations but apart from hendo is our best tall defender -waite isn't disciplined enough to play back and shouldn't really be in the calculations as he doesn't play enough lets build the side around hendo as kpf - agree Watson should be a key defender as well

But where will we find an experienced small forward who is brave and has represented Australia?

Wait....

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..i like White as a prospect as well, i think at FB Jamo has a better closing speed/spoil than White, but i prefer White in a one on one contested situation.. ..and he has the bonus of being able to play a role up fwd, i think Jamo is a 1 position [FB] player.. ..and strictly FB, vs being as KPD.. ..a roaming CHB role isn't Jamo's bag either, i think he gets a little lost..

..versatility is good, but so is a settled line-up.. .... ..and not all players are suited to differing roles over a season.. ..i think it's dangerous to run a side on match-ups, a few slight tweaks sure, but players need to feel settled for the most part, not just in their own role but importantly to develop that chemistry between eachother.. ..especially down back..

..and i think we've seen over the journey how much swapping and changing roles and positions has slowed some of our player's development.. .... ..i'm thinking we're on the way to being able to field a good, well structured side hopefully without the weekly chopping and changing to suit opposition teams cos we struggle to field a balanced team of our own.. ..am thinking we're close to being beyond that.. ..although plenty will hinge upon the next crop reaching some of their potential.. ..i think the 'versatility card' is a good 'plan B' option when the game is running away from us, and over the course of a season if injuries hit crucial positions..

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Really good post Psych. Got me thinking White again.

I'm a bit of a White fan, but did see him hit some low spots during both 2013 and 2014. Made some bad decisions imo.
I had him ahead of McInnes before he got that neck injury. Having said that McInnes was in the seniors whilst White was in the ressies.

Always thought of him as our back up FB. I think he can play that role too.

Good to see him bulk up a bit if he's going to play KPB. I got the feeling that before White go injured end of this year that MM was a fan.
I hope he hasn't lost any speed because that was one of his strengths.

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White is shorter, slower and actually heavier (I think) than Glass. Glass has pretty good reach for his height as well, which is part of the reason he excels as a defender. Another component is his closing speed.

I've no doubt White can win more 1-on-1 grapples than most, but that's only one aspect of body on body work, which is only one aspect of playing as a tall defender. He is a smart footballer, but you need to paper over your weaknesses as much as you need to play to your strengths at this level and White hasn't been able to do that thus far in his time at the club.

I honestly think extra bulk is going to hurt him unless he manages to find a way to use it to significantly improve his pace off the mark. Bigger arms don't really sell that idea to me personally.

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Glass, 192cm 94kg
White, 190cm 91kg
Think white can play a key role down back, maybe as
a second/third tall, don't think he can match it against the
likes of cloke, brown, Tippett and Hawkins etc, the boys are
to big for him..
Hoping Watson can stand up, maybe Joel Tippett as a rookie
would be worth a shot..
Speaking of players who are made for one positions, laidler
comes to mind, very good third defender, sad to see him go..
Bring on the draft...

Near future?

B: Temay Giles McInnes
HB: Everitt Watson Docherty

Foll: Kruezer Cripps Graham
C: Simpson Gibbs Judd

HF: Thomas Henderson Murphy
F: Menzel Casboult Walker

Int: Tuohy Graham Holman Bell

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Just did a similar exercise to look at where the window is for us when all the oldies and also rans go.

Something to work on, perhaps add a 'hot' trade next year...Hogan???...from the salary space Judds departure creates.

Its not bleak. I'm in love with the selections of Cripps and Giles. Over the moon.
Real footballers with real footy smarts, with speed and good disposal. Thank your mother for the rabbits.

Add a Thorp? Tippett? One annual rookie??? Recruiters can turn this around.
Situation will improve and with MM on board for a flag...anything can happen.
I'm happy with the situation I cant control the rest....I'm aware GWS and GC are coming.

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Yep - footballers. Exactly Bondi. This is why I agree with you more often than not.
Sorry don't intend to put you in the "stupid" basket with me....

You said it! Didn't you boys want Joel Tippett?

I still want Joel and we might still get him in the rookie draft. Your point is?????
I wouldn't be surprised if we go after Conlon even....again your point is?????
My god some people have tickets on themselves.

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It's always nice when you add some fresh talent to your list. It's exciting and I am happy with what we have done with what we had.

Tom Cutler & George Hewett went at 32 & 33 which were our picks.

With the Betts pick we could of had Hartung, McStay or Crouch. Which way would of been better?

The real issue for me is we have missed another real chance to significantly improve our list. I thought the List Management of Collingwood, St Kilda & Brisbane was impressive and it started in trade week.

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..not sure.. ..i think those 3 clubs have lost proven talent.. ..kids could be anything, and no promise they won't 'walk' like their predecessors have.. ..maybe pies, cos of their movement up the draft and adams is decent as a kid.. ..but last year they went smalls, and sharens has those funky feet.. ..personally i'd be more worried about his feet than i am about menz's knees.. ..yes those clubs got in more talent, but they lost more too.. ..and some crucial types as well, not so easily replaceable..

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Collingwood have had a fantastic trade/draft period.

Lost Thomas & Shaw who are both past their best and recruited Adams, Scharenberg, Freeman, Marsh, White & Karmezis. IMO very impressive.

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But you still won't admit how much of Tippett you've actually seen play, right?

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..Marsh, he may come good sure, but at pick 70+ even if he somehow slipped down an entire round, he's still very much a late pick with a lot of work to do to come good.. .... ..White [jesse] is a workhorse tall that had a good season in a top team but will struggle some at the pies and be back to his usual standard.. ..i don't see white as having 'turned the corner', i see him more like say 'a jamar', a big player that has a purple patch, but it's illusory.. .... ..Karnezis?, who knows but i reckon he will struggle with the leading teams buckley style of coaching..

..adams is good, if small [they have a few small mids now].. ..also so stories go, a bit of a knob.. ....but i like him as a player just the same, is only i think they have too many now of his 'type'.. ..sharenburgers should be good, but his kind of feet injuries give me the nervous-nellies..

..Daisy and Shaw ought not to be past their prime, although obviously much less 'prime' left for them.. .... ..but they are two very, very good players out of the team.. ..personally i think they did a little bit better than breaking even.. ..i wouldn't be pumping up their tyres just yet.. ..too much hyping what went in and belittling what went out for my liking..

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Psych Collingwood lost Paine as well. You used him as an example when you want to talk up Brisbane's fwd prospects, but leave him out from Collingwood's losses.

IMO, Thomas and Shaw are greater losses than Hampson and Betts. Obviously.

I've asked numerous times who are the Carlton equivalents of Thomas and Shaw that we'd be happy to get rid of to get another early picks and I never get an answer. Would have to be Walker, Gibbs, Kreuzer....

They picked up 3 top 15 players. Adams, Schranberg, Freeman.
We picked up 2 Cripps, Docherty and Thomas who at 26 (ankle permitting) is hardly finished.

Everitt vs White is close. Everitt cost nothing, White a 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Marsh was Pick 77, because he's seen as athlete before footballer vs Sheehan, Byrne, Ellis and Holman. Could all be busts, but time will tell.

Karnezis and Armstrong are list cloggers. Karnezis might make it, but on what we've seen so far he'd be exactly the kind of guy that TC dislikes.

Tall, athletic, poor decision maker, poor execution and talk of lack of dedication.

Not arguing who did better, just outlining that on paper it might be closer than people think.

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