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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:04 pm 
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Weitering is statistically the best one-on-one defender in the competition at the moment, losing just 7.5% of his battles, but the rest of his teammates, lose 31.7% of one-on-ones, ranked second last across the competition.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:26 pm 
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walsh is heavy into yoga and pilates. the theory there is, you build up muscle mass around the ailing vertebrae to take the load off them.

i think the criticism on chiro is you can do more damage to discs by cracking/ manipulating/ adjusting the spine. so there's risks.


It doesn't. I've had no issue with it having it for years and it's been no issue people over the many decades. Some do prefer the Osteopath though.


I experienced bad chiropractors and good chiropractors. Bad ones back in the 80's. I really like the idea of prevention. Hence pilates ro strngthen not just the ciore but every muscle around the core.

Osteopathy tends to focus on the diagnosis and treatment of musculoskeletal problems. Physiotherapy and kinesiotherapy/kinesiology are both disciplines that involve movement and exercise, but while physiotherapy focuses on restoring physical function and mobility after injury or illness, kinesiotherapy/kinesiology focuses on optimizing physical performance and preventing injury.

I'm sure all these disciplines are considered and adopted by our S & G Team. It would be negligent of them if they didnt try everything that may help the back.

Maybe some Reiki, to balance up energy, and like braithy suggested some essential oils and diffuser. None are laughing matters. Each to their own.

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Sacrifice a goat or something as well.

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Sacrifice a goat or something as well.



absolutely. drink it's blood and wear an amulet with a lock of its hair around your neck on game day.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:20 pm 
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Effes wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/trauma-again-blues-woes-exposed-as-afl-greats-call-out-passengers-urge-blues-to-get-ruthless/news-story/bbf7afe4b30aa9510d4ac0430c4b1a05

Weitering is statistically the best one-on-one defender in the competition at the moment, losing just 7.5% of his battles, but the rest of his teammates, lose 31.7% of one-on-ones, ranked second last across the competition.

Love Weiters but what % of game time does he spend on the opposition best forward?

I could be wrong but it seems like Kemp finds himself in trouble as we try and free W up to intercept...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:35 pm 
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Kemp is certainly matched on oversized opponents regularly

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:09 pm 
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The ball hitting the umpire thing changed I think last season. It was a reaction to it happening in a game. My understanding is if it hits the umpire but would have been a goal but for their getting in the way, they pay the goal. Problem is it relies on the ARC to make the call. Which is why you hear him say there was a clear gap before hitting the umpire. Just another quirk of the game. It didn't cost us the game. We did that to ourselves




If that's the case, the Laws of the game need to be reworded/amended.

The final decision took so long to come about, I reckon those in charge of score review were scrambling to bring up the relevant Law, then ultimately misinterpreted it.


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the current Law assumes that the ball crosses the goal line.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:07 am 
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Hornet wrote:
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/trauma-again-blues-woes-exposed-as-afl-greats-call-out-passengers-urge-blues-to-get-ruthless/news-story/bbf7afe4b30aa9510d4ac0430c4b1a05

Weitering is statistically the best one-on-one defender in the competition at the moment, losing just 7.5% of his battles, but the rest of his teammates, lose 31.7% of one-on-ones, ranked second last across the competition.

Love Weiters but what % of game time does he spend on the opposition best forward?

I could be wrong but it seems like Kemp finds himself in trouble as we try and free W up to intercept...


A lot of the time Kemp gets in trouble because the opposition block Weitering from the contest.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:56 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Effes wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/trauma-again-blues-woes-exposed-as-afl-greats-call-out-passengers-urge-blues-to-get-ruthless/news-story/bbf7afe4b30aa9510d4ac0430c4b1a05

Weitering is statistically the best one-on-one defender in the competition at the moment, losing just 7.5% of his battles, but the rest of his teammates, lose 31.7% of one-on-ones, ranked second last across the competition.

Love Weiters but what % of game time does he spend on the opposition best forward?

I could be wrong but it seems like Kemp finds himself in trouble as we try and free W up to intercept...


The opposition coaches aren't fools. They're willing to sacrifice a good forward to keep Weitering away from the play. The last few weeks, Larkey, Dixon, previously Hawkins. They're obviously leading up the ground and isolating Kemp and/or McGovern.
It's why Young has to play back. The past 3 weeks, teams are intentionally loading up their forward line with talls. McGovern and Kemp are shorter than Acres and Cripps. You can't play them both as 2nd and 3rd tall defenders. It has cost us games unnecessarily. Young isn't a good defender but Kemp is impotent in the contest at the moment so Young has to take his spot. At least he provides some height.

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Blue Vain wrote:
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Effes wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/trauma-again-blues-woes-exposed-as-afl-greats-call-out-passengers-urge-blues-to-get-ruthless/news-story/bbf7afe4b30aa9510d4ac0430c4b1a05

Weitering is statistically the best one-on-one defender in the competition at the moment, losing just 7.5% of his battles, but the rest of his teammates, lose 31.7% of one-on-ones, ranked second last across the competition.

Love Weiters but what % of game time does he spend on the opposition best forward?

I could be wrong but it seems like Kemp finds himself in trouble as we try and free W up to intercept...


The opposition coaches aren't fools. They're willing to sacrifice a good forward to keep Weitering away from the play. The last few weeks, Larkey, Dixon, previously Hawkins. They're obviously leading up the ground and isolating Kemp and/or McGovern.
It's why Young has to play back. The past 3 weeks, teams are intentionally loading up their forward line with talls. McGovern and Kemp are shorter than Acres and Cripps. You can't play them both as 2nd and 3rd tall defenders. It has cost us games unnecessarily. Young isn't a good defender but Kemp is impotent in the contest at the moment so Young has to take his spot. At least he provides some height.



how about this whole line of thought and conjecture that weiters doesn't want to play with young?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:06 pm 
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how about this whole line of thought and conjecture that weiters doesn't want to play with young?


It's a team game. Adelaide had a couple of blokes who hated each other but they won a flag.
Our leaders need to be leaders. Whatever gives us the best chance of success should always be the best option.
Young's height is desperately needed down back. Otherwise we're handing a structural advantage to the opposition before the bounce every week.
It's not Kemps fault but he has leaked a shitload of goals the past month. He's being asked to do jobs he's not capable of.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:19 pm 
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i agree ... in team sports you suck it up and do whatever gives the team the best chance.

or you go do boxing.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:56 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
walsh is heavy into yoga and pilates. the theory there is, you build up muscle mass around the ailing vertebrae to take the load off them.

i think the criticism on chiro is you can do more damage to discs by cracking/ manipulating/ adjusting the spine. so there's risks.


great to know Walshie is into the yoga/movement routines for his back. i’d expect most contemporary players to be aware of it but AFL footy is still a tough guy domain to some extent.

it always amazes me how effective movement practices can be in overcoming the worst of painful immobility issues. (conversely, heaps of people seem to injure their back doing more complicated asanas like headstands etc!)

in order for Chiros to be allowed in the medical insurance scheme in Australia, the largest Australian epidemiological study of various back treatment regimes was conducted.

all sorts of treatment regimes eg, GP giving massage and needles, Chiro care, physiotherapy, surgery to you name it with myotherapy & allied health stuff had the results and costs compared statistically.

the study concluded Chiro is hands down most effective at a) relieving pain b) reducing number of days off work c) increasing mobility. it’s not even a contest d) cost. i would never recommend a Physiotherapist for back/neurological issues today for eg. waste of money, IMHO. you have to go twice before they even give you their better version of their exercises for you to do at home.

the damage discs stuff is conjecture from established medical profession bc they don’t understand it and the "subluxation" claim is not scientifically credible (according to what ive read in the past) and probably based on old stories of the "backyard back butcher" chiros of yesteryear. Gonstead is the school of chiro of choice in my limited experience, based on the work of a US Chiro who became legendary in the 50s etc. and his two junior colleagues who tried to formalise what they learned from Gonstead.

was looking for data and came across this comment on a IJPC (a journal):

> The founder of modern medicine, Hippocrates, listed rachiotherapy (Greek word for back or spinal care) as a fundamental element of medicine alongside surgery and medicinal therapy. In Hippocrates’ treatise on joints, he speaks of parathremata, which is a concept corresponding to what chiropractic describes as the subluxation, where the vertebrae in the spine are minimally displaced, only to a very small extent. Hippocrates goes on to say that it is necessary to have a good knowledge of the spine because many disorders are associated with the spine and displacement of vertebrae, including pharyngitis, laryngitis, bronchial asthma, tuberculosis, nephritis, cystitis, inadequate gonadal development, constipation, enuresis, and many other diseases that the medical profession and some in the chiropractic profession strangely insist cannot be helped following chiropractic care and improvement to neurological function.

https://www.ijpconline.org


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:01 pm 
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Also doesn't help that some people prescribe chiro as the solution to all ills ( or at least those that can't be fixed with essential oils)


yeah it’s not that for sure.

i heard about a third generation chiro in Freo when i lived there and he fixed a system illness in my partner that had her bed ridden for a year or so on return from SE Asia/India. nobody could work out if it was parasites or this or that. he has a long waiting list and mainly deals with conditions other medicos/practitioners can’t resolve.

having read a bit about that mind/body (neurological) nexus it does seem chiropractics does sit in that grey-zone of cutting edge knowledge about the mind/body relationship. as do many of the Eastern traditional medicine methodologies.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:54 pm 
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Well, this is my first post since last Friday afternoon. I was working in Canberra and drove down to Thredbo on Friday night for the weekend, watched a delayed version of the match and had to stay up until around 12:30am to find out the result. Gee I wish I had just gone to bed and had a good sleep. Once the match finished I did go to bed and avoided TC until just now when I read this thread.

I was absolutely gutted with the result, couldn't face any footy for a week, it was such a miserable second half to watch. I still haven't looked at any other results from last weekend or the ladder.

I guess I should head over to the pies pre match thread to see if can build some optimism.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:57 pm 
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BTW - I also believe there are very good Chiro's, I used to go to Max Joseph (Live Again with Chiropractic) in Mornington and his proteges (in Melbourne and Sydney) when younger and had great results. Max also studied under Clarence Gonstead


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:56 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
BTW - I also believe there are very good Chiro's, I used to go to Max Joseph (Live Again with Chiropractic) in Mornington and his proteges (in Melbourne and Sydney) when younger and had great results. Max also studied under Clarence Gonstead


good to hear!!


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