Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
You really bite when someone points out something wrong with what you post BV. Every time. You don't just wear it on the chin.
You finally got the point that Docs spot was not precarious in our team, when you meant your team. Glad you came to that conclusion because that was the point. Have a look highlighted
All you have to state is that it is your team as you finally did. It makes a difference.
You're creating the drama. Have a read:
"Redeem himself"; "Playing himself out of our best 22"; "Stunk it up". Look up the definition of assertion, and you will find the forceful nature of your exaggeration.
You still don't accept that whilst we had mids out prior to the Gold Coast Doc played a great midfield role, instead you want to point out his 2 clearances, like he didnt have anything to do with the wins, when he was one of our best during a period we had injured mids out, and what about his game in the midfield in an undermanned midfield in a Finals like game, we won against the Dees. You wonder why posters do have Docherty named in the midfield week in week out. Its because he can play that role, but such is the depth of our mids, we have even better ones than Doc, in Cerra and Walsh. Doesn't mean Doc can't play the role.
The point I'm making has nothing to do with Hollands and Young. Call it what you like but that is a normal deflecting tactic to bring them up. Nothing to do with them.
Young can't play ruck doesn't equal Docherty can't play midfield. I don't know how you can make that connection. That's such an exaggeration to make a point which is wrong from the outset.
I said and agree Doc didn't have a great game, but to suggest "he stunk it out" that's another exaggeration' albeit full of texture. Lets see which poster is as harsh as you to suggest Doc "stunk it out" as you suggest vs GCS. Sure his kicking efficiency of 68% wasn't great for 25 possessions but almost 600 metres gained, gaining territory, a battle we needed to win and he stunk it out? In a game we won from being 41 points down, he stunk it out? It was a team effort, and he has been part of that team effort over the last 9 weeks...yes with Doc in a midfield role whilst we had our first choice mids out injured. That Finals like game when we had 3 of our best mids out vs Dees, leaving Cripps Hewett and Docherty to run the midfield and win, proved what an important player Docherty is, let alone in the midfield.
As for Hollands, don't laugh, he still MIGHT play in a Premiership team in his first year like Campreale did given the injuries this team is known for. But as I've posted, if we have everyone fit and in form which is highly unusual for Carlton, there will be a lot of form players like Dow, Fisher, Fogarty, or even Hollands or Cuningham or Motlop who will miss out on selection in Finals.
Hollands has been the incumbent wing every time he's been available to play since round 1 FACT. I'm not making that up. Haven't you noticed? There's good reason to think its his spot to lose when a coach keeps on selecting him on the wing; in a team that has a history with injury and never having a full list to pick from. FACT. Its his spot to lose, but I don't get what that has with your comments regarding Docs spot in the team being precarious. Hence why I call you up on deflecting from the argument. Its not new.
If Doc doesnt primarily play midfield when Cerra and Walsh are back and Cripps is playing, that does not imply he can't play midfield, but I expect to see him in the midfield mix in the Finals. I bet he does
Walsh and Docherty are two mids unlike the other mids, who can play wing and HF, and Doc HB too, and for that reason, we will see them in play in those positions.
If everyone is fit and firing and the choice had to be made between the skinny first year runner, Hollands, vs the seasoned body, the leadership and footy IQ of Docherty, that is a no brainer. Point is, Doc is nowhere near playing himself our of this team and wont be dropped because you suggest he had a stinker, because he isn't a liability; Doc is an assett Vossy will move to play various positions in our Finals campaign because he can.
Lets stick to the facts. I'll drink to that....where's that sherry?
So my opinion is wrong and yours is right?
Get it straight, I do mean his position would be precarious in
our team if he keeps playing like that. Yes it's my 22 because it's only my opinion of our best 22. I hate to tell you but none of us have control over selection. My best 22 is what I personally believe is the clubs best 22.
It represents what I believe should/could happen. IMHO, his position in our best 22 would be in jeopardy if he keeps serving up form like that. If you don't agree, so be it
As for sticking to the facts, your "fact" that Docherty's in our first 5 selected every week, which of Charlie, Weitering, Cripps, Saad, Walsh, Cerra does he push out?
You didnt present it as your opinion. That's my point.
Again, my post has nothing to do with your suggestion about you're right and I'm wrong and vice versa, and don't get why you would bring that up other than to deflect.
I think you got it.
I thought you were wrong with your description of Docherty, and I quoted your comments Im referring to.
Another poster posted Doc first 5 selected, and I agreed with the sentiment of that post.
Whether its first 5, 10 or 15, Doc aint going anywhere near what you said. That's the point.
I was wrong to agree with his post, and should have typed, "...or top 10, or 15, but definitely nowhere near "playing himself out of our team"."
I wouldn't push any of those guys out, nor Docherty.
Great thing about Doc is you can name him on the bench in the first 5 selections, and put him on the field in a position of most need. Versatile and talented.
He is a required player, and he wont be dropped even if he has another average game this weekend.
Don't you think that's more realistic than what you posted? Just watch.
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