That's odd.

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Looked like smugness to me.

Overtly confident. I'd rather that than being negative and fumbling for words whilst his knees are shaking

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Are injuries going to hurt us again? Just when I think we getting close to our best we get more key injuries.

It makes it hard to get a solid game style working, causes inconsistency in performance and shows for me we lack geenuine depth

This week will be a massive test. Will be hard but if we can get a win it will show our group has a lot of character

Nic Newman out for the H&A season.

Do we have any players left?

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We can cover half back.

Kennedy and Hewitt are 2 big outs. and with Stocker unavailable, takes away a lot of grunt potential.

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The Saad issue and Eddie one both deserve their own thread and are very important issues but I hope the team and club isn’t trying to deflect from what was a horrendous and immature and amateurish performance last Saturday night with the focus on these issues instead of the main priority and what we want is a committed 4 quarter performance and more importantly a win

We should support Eddie and Saad but let’s not d

These other issues are important societal issues and I get the support and the dismay about others in enlightened and despicable actions but these be a distraction from the main game of winning and getting into the finals

Not sure what you mean by "genuine" depth Farma.
Are you referring to our injury riddled players not being genuine because they're usually injured?

Our genuine depth is in the team replacing injured or players freshly back from injury fit, or building up to match fitness:

Marchbank and Martin first games back, on managed minutes
Owies and Pittonet back after long lay offs
There's 2 spots taken up by depth.

Honey Managed. There's 3 spots taken up by depth.

Williams, Boyd, Hewett, Kennedy, Durdin, Oscar best 22 is another 6 spots taken up by depth players.

Lets say 9 spots taken up by depth players: Young, Plowman, OBrien, Dow, Setterfield, Cottrell, Motlop, Newnes....

Cuningham, Ed and Stocker could be best 22, but lets call them "depth".

Add the following who are depth/ developing: Philp Williamson, Parks, Kemp, Carroll....

Injuries have cruelled us. Extremely unfortunate, and doesnt help to have too many injury prone players on the list.

We went into the season with 4 of our best 22 out injured: Docherty, Marchbank, Stocker, Cuningham. Only Doc made the first round team and played ever since.

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Found these two definitions with a google search on BF regarding calculation of disposal efficiency.
If you are referring to Champion Data's definition it is a calculated formulae that looks at the next posession. A kick, handball or knock-on that goes to a team mate who gets a mark (contested or uncontested) hard ball get, loose ball get, gather or a scoring shot (goal and behind). Fairly accurate except you need to factor in the type of player. e.g. back players efficiency is always higher whilst "extractors" are lower.

Effective disposals are made up of effective long kicks, effective short kicks and effective handballs. An effective long kick is one that is 40 metres to a 50/50 or better for the team. An effective short kick is one that results in a teammate's possession who was the intended target of the kicker. A handball to a teammate that hits the intended target to the team's advantage is recorded as an effective handball.

If I am reading this correctly, kicking to a pack mark down the line or in the F50 would be classified as inefficient unless it's marked by a team mate (contested poss).

If you take into account, Hayes kicking it 52% vs LOB 72% it makes some sense if LOB is kicking it to more packs and our players are not winning the ball.
And if the ball is held up in the contest or even if it's contested and lost it is not classified as a turnover unless it's kicked along the ground of course.
And is why the backs have a better % as they chip it around a lot to uncontested players.

Interesting if that is correct and it would explain that disparity a little.

This is what I mean by genuine depth. Players that can come in and perform a role consistently without effecting the team too much. Cuningham & Stocker have potential but are unproven and Ed is injured and past it

For me that is not depth

I disagree. Centre bounce is the only time in the game that key forwards are one on one.
Getting the ball drive deep inside our forward 50 from a centre bounce is far more preferable than turning it over in the midfield. Get an inside 50 stoppage at worst and set up behind the ball.
I'll back our talls in to win more than their share of contests.
The opposition have worked out our forward handball strategy and shut it down. Time for some brutal, efficient footy.
Shut down Neale, they can try to tag Cripps and I'll back in our next rated mid to beat theirs.

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Which team in the comp have depth outside their best 25 better than Cuningham, Stocker and Curnow?

Looking at this week's VFL reports. Sydney and to a lesser extent, Melbourne are the only two I can see. Seems a pretty unrealistic expectation, and given the cap issues we have, unlikely to get any better any time soon.

More I think about it

B: Docherty Young McGovern
HB: Plowman Weitering Saad
C: Hayes Cripps Cottrell
HF: Martin McKay Fisher
F: TDK Curnow Owies
Foll: Pittonet Cerra Walsh
Int: Dow Marchbank Motlop Silvagni (Setterfield)

Given our lessend midfield I would tag Neale or McLuggage with Cottrell
Voss needs to get us to take on the game more. I feel we have tried to control the pace of the game since start of year and have gone a bit too far
Dow part of midfield rotation. Fisher & Silvagni to have midfield minutes

I think we match up well against Lions. All about attitude

Depth is not an issue. Available depth is. I think we're all on the same page on that one, just manners of expression.

The old get ball and bang it on the boot asap play.

ie: How Mitch Robinson still gets a game

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there is alot of get ball boot ball players in our team ,doc,kennedy ,lob this why teams score easily against us

One thing is for certs, our ex CFC player, the one who can't hit the side of a barn, Robbo, he will run through some of our players for sure.

For more than one reason we will see just how hard our players are and how much they want to win.

I have a terrible feeling something just isn't right though. I say that based off form, not just one game. Coll, St K, Adel we didn't rock up early. (Adel we didn't rock up at all and Coll we only rocked up in the last 10 mins).

There is a sustained trend of lack of effort/motivation.
And it doesn't imbue confidence.

And to me it all starts with the leaders (and the coach obviously).
They need to lead the way.

Seriously, Weitering's presser, he spoke and looked like a triple premiership player.
You haven't achieved jack shit Jacob.

Yep he should have fumbled over his words, said 'yeah-nah' a bit more and looked like a first season hack.

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Listening to the press conference, I must admit the I had the feeling JW thought we had qualified for finals already.
Hopefully I misinterpreted and he's just supremely confident that we can win our way through.

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we have bigger problems than that.
Our ball movement esp from down back up the ground is too slow.
it is no wonder Harry is struggling. His contested marking is off big time because the contests he is at are harder now.
The best teams (Tigers, Collingwood, Melbourne) move the ball very quickly based off turnovers caused by exceptional overall team defense.
We don't have that game style.
Our defenders and wings and mids fall back to create a presence across half back and in turn hope the incoming ball will land in one of our players' hands. And if often does.
But the problem is when we get the ball back we move the ball too slowly.
We chip and pick through the ground cutting angles with short kicks.
I prefer teams that apply relentless pressure at all phases of the ground, they're the ones that turn it over and then can rebound and run off quickly creating mismatches up forward.
We don't play that way.
We play a piss weak fall back game style.
I get it, it is a legacy of our shitfull team defense in the Teague years. We are trying to help our poor defenders and teach our lazy mids to help the defenders.
But it doesn't pave the way for quick rebound and run and you have to take it a further distance back up the field.
I love the way Collingwood play. The apply a relentless, all-team pressure game that causes turnovers and then they are off and running trying to give their lets face it mediocre tall forwards a competitive edge by outnumbering their opponents.
And the reason they can play this way is because they have terrific defenders. Moore, Howe, Maynard are all excellent players and the team under Buckley learnt to play defense first.
I much prefer this game style than the one we have adopted under Voss.
Voss right now strikes me as a one trick pony. Take away his forward handball novelty at centre bounces and we become a very ordinary side.
TBH part of the problem is our mids are all way too slow. Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy, and even Cerra, they're all slow. Anyone who says Cerra is quick need to go to Specsavers.
Voss has gone for safety and immediate wins and I get that, but he needs to evolve in 2023 else the team is not going to make the top end of town.