Any chance of an MVP thread? I realise no one deserves a vote, but if we're going to cancel the MVP thread every time we stink the league out, may as well just shut the contest down entirely. I guess what I'm saying is, I sat through that dismal shitstorm, I demand satisfaction!

GWS do have an exceptionally good midfield and a potent forward line. Cameron is a star. And the young midfielders Treloar and Greene and Co are in the elite bracket. Their defence didn't have to do much yesterday but anyway that blonde bloke played a ripper game.

They are a pretty good side now, and play a good brand of footy.

This generation of Carlton Supporters is almost lost an in another 15 years we WILL be in Fitzroy territory.


You can already see it at the local Auskick Centres and the meagre numbers of Carlton jumpers compared to Drug Cheat and Hawthorn jumpers.


We used to laugh around here about all these Number 1 draft picks like, Deledio, Goddard, Cooney, Boyd and others like Treloar and Shiel who used to barrack for Carlton as kids, you can forget about any of that happening in the future.


Look I've done my bit and created two rusted on Carlton members who have had nothing to cheer about in the respective years (25 and 22) except a Grand final win which they can only remember through a worn out VHS tape and a 1 point Preliminary Final win which the don't actually remember being at, if they ever have kids I'm going to have a hell of a time creating a 4th generation of Carlton members .


To the current Catlton Board, this is beyond serious it's time for you to go.

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Just heartbreaking to see our once proud club on its knees. No answers. This is beyond list and coach, this is cultural and this is administrative. There are no easy fixes. We are in for a lot of pain before this improves and unless massive changes are made from the very top, it may never improve.

Synners was right the first time and the billionth time. I always thought it was Ratten. It's so much deeper than that and we can't simply sack the problem.

On another issue, and I'm probably being too sensitive but I don't really like Jeremy Cameron being referred to as "Jezza".

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I won't be encouraging my daughter to go for Carlton. A Sydney team would be a better option. They will always be up there by the afl's design.

Carlton are a poor inner city Melbourne club whose job (in the afl's script) is to fill out the league for the tv rights agreements.

my boy will wear carlton or he won't be fed.

these are the stipulations and conditions of our house.

Ratten wouldn't shouldn't have had the job then if it wasn't for the board.
The board is the underlying albatross around our neck.
But it's the single biggest mountain to level.
You can change coaches and delist lists

You can't change a culture anywhere as easily...

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there are ways ... every one has to put words into actions though. and possibly be prepared to be arrested.

Clubs correct on the Sydney perspective
And I congratulate him on his excellent advice and encouragement for his daughters football enjoyment.

He understands completely what this have is about
And make no mistake it's a game not a sport of competition.

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A superficial overview on cultural change.http://guides.wsj.com/management/innova ... s-culture/

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haha no that would require a sex change...or some creative usage of my internal organs.
Honestly I did faint...and I'm blaming my woeful footy team

this.
that's why you get him the 'in waiting' to mentor.

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We still had a sporting chance at the end of 2012. We had still had assets on our list. The rebuild could have been well on the way by the start of 2013.

The board stuffed it up . They need to admit it and step aside if there is anyone else wanting to have a try.

I have accepted that this is the end of Carlton as we knew it and am at peace with it. I will still die having seen my team win more premierships than most. Prelim 99 too.

I'm all for sacking the board IF there is a decent alternative, but with the big money people that are behind the club all we will get is a shuffling of the deck chairs on the titanic because the money men will get what they want, because they keep the club operating NOT us members, we get paid lip service at best.
So if the board goes who replaces them? It's no good replacing one bunch of puppets with another, Carlton have been doing shit like that at a board level since George Harris, how has that worked out for us.

The match committee should make and example of some higher profile players who are not pulling their weight, but on the obverse, if they do that it reinforces the survival mode that the players have gone into and fractures the group even further.

I read all of you posters trying to find solutions to our woes and venting justified frustration, but it all comes to nothing, We thought we had fixed our board problems when we went to war against John Elliott and won, how did that work out for us, we thought we had fixed our admin problems when we poached Swann from Collingwood, how did that work out for us, we thought we had fixed our on field problems when we got Judd, we thought we fixed our coaching problems when we sacked Brittany, Pagan and Rattan, how has that worked out for us.

IT HASNT

So we are going to look at dipping into the same well, sack Mick, Sack the board, drop and trade players XY and Z, will it work? I doubt it.
We are following the old Carlton mould ourselves with our behaviors and attitudes, we're not even remotely part of the solution, we are still part of the problem.

I don't know how to fix the board inbreeding problems, I do know that we have a patchwork list at best, and that we must rebuild the same way that the other clubs have had to do it, I do know we have to stop doing things the "Carlton" way and become current in our thinking and attitude.
If we go the modern road and rebuild properly we find the best person to coach a developing side and I don't care who it is as long as they are the best and committed to the role, we all then need to shut up and let the coach do his job.

But how do we remove the money behind the club who will stop any of the right stuff from happening due to them all having their own agendas and treating the club like their own personal plaything

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We are the maybe blues

Pretty much sums up my current position.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Easy when it's given to you on a platter

With those concessions they have to win a premiership soon

If they don't then all that investment will amount to nought

Its fun to come here and read the comments and reply to them, but I'm dead set sold on the fact we are finished as a club.

When the salary cap saga hit and the resulting penalties, I thought fair enough, we'll cop that on the chin and move on in due coarse.

20 years later, bottom of the ladder, needing to rebuild, a list that doesn't function, a coach who's got until the end of this season, and a board that's without a doubt the worst in the business.

In this cut throat industry competing against 17 other clubs, we are finished.

Its only a matter of time, slowly slowly we'll take one step forward and two steps back. One year we'll finish 12th, the next we'll finish 10th, the year after we'll finish 11th, and up and down we'll go, never amounting to anything but a middle tier club.

As the years pass and the fans dwindle away, we'll slowly rot until our only option is to merge or fold.

A once great proud club no longer. The team everyone hates and loves to beat, the yard stick of the competition.

No one can tell me its not going to end this way. 20 years have passed, and we are nowhere. The board will stay, the merry-go-round of cashed up clueless imbeciles will pass on their privilege to the next generation of cashed up clueless imbeciles until they themselves don't want to be associated with the losers we've become. There's no bragging rights when the organisation you run is nothing but a failure.

Then the merge or fold letter will be sent to whatever members we have left. The AFL will give us a bone for being a good dog and prop us up and the Tasmanian Blues will win their first flag in 45 years ...

A third rounder and the joy of paying 50% of his ridiculous salary while he plays for another club.

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