there were no @#$%&! dominos

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I still see game structures in our play from Ratten's days, so I'm not sure it's as much on Mick as everyone suggests.

The dominos in this case were: Judd gets scragged, senior players do nothing, less senior players panic, game structure falls apart. Everyone stops running, emo hair flicks begin.

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how the @#$%&! is it not micks fault?

so you think we are using rattens plans still? we sacked that guy and bought in this old man to fix up rattens mess..... but mick is still using rattens mess but thats not micks fault ... thats rattens

lolwut!?!?

1 million dollars for 3 years to keep doing what the last guy did that we sacked for being no good

3 years on and nothing? we have gotten worse !!

top logic jimmae

though it does sound very carlton

and i am telling you , seriously nothing fell apart from judd getting scragged - there was nothing to fall apart

the plan was the same shit from start to finish - hair flicks and all.

bloody ratten

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Just arrived in a Singapore expecting a loss, but not by that much. Clearly issues and a top 5 pick + new coach coming our way.

jimmae, sorry to break it to you, but you're trying to defend the indefensible.

we may have played terribly tonight, but you cant blame a 3 year old game plan on it and not look at the current coach . if malthouse was half the coach he thinks he is, he would have broken those patterns by now

Grro may be pissed off, but he is also justifying his arguments. of course it is on Mick if he cant break 3 year old habits, or change match-ups.

remember, Barassi once said, dont think - do!. cant see that logic coming out of Mick, just piss poor erxcuses

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Germinder
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Exactly

It all comes down to our poor drafting and giving away
draft picks for duds every other club must lick there chops
when we want to deal with them at trade time

Yes I thought Malthouse was more honest than usual, which might not be saying much. A couple of things I noticed in the press conference:

- he had the resigned look of a man that knows we are not even competitive. Oh for his angry press conferences.
- whinging about free agency is a bit rich IMO. He acts like we've been robbed but we've cocked it up ourselves. I understood we could have kept Betts and Waite but didnt want to pay or give 2 years. And the big fish we landed - Daisy - has been a bust.

Perhaps we could sack Mick the week before the Collingwood game?

Yes much of our troubles are because we traded betts, garlett, waite and Robinson for essentially Dale Thomas and for a decade can't recognise that we can't play judd Murphy and gibbs in the midfield together because of their inability to run the other direction without the ball.

Buck starts with the coach. MM has left us in worse shape than when he started. Good bye

no our troubles are due to the fact that our recruiting and player development has been atrocious for years now

those players you mention would never have taken us to a premiership. They were part of the problem.

go grro

why would you play the game this way and who would want to play it

+1

i slept on this, but there's things i need to say.

I'm not sure what angers me more.

The fact I thought shipping Raten, Betts, Jacobs, Waite, Garlett, etc and bringing in mick & daisy and a few guys who struggled to get a run at the dogs was a palatable idea on any level which would lead to any success of any kind.

or the fact that; that's just what we did and set this club back another half decade.


our slow and inept way of attempting to build up play from the back, change wings, ride the boundary. This is the second easiest strategy in all of modern football to defend against.

the easiest strategy to defend against, is the long bomb forward and hope and pray you find your only tall who can take a contested mark.

– at one end of the ground last night you had a guy waiting for the ball from an unencumbered midfield in an acre of space with no man at any stage dropped into that zone to fill the space.

– at the other you had levi casboult when he was forward, which wasn't often due to cameron wood's complete inability to make a ruck contest anywhere on the ground, and when levi was there, he was shadowed by two men all night. And he still managed a few goals, and if some prick had have taken some time to kick with him over the last 3 years, he probably coulda kicked 5 last night. an amazing return considering the midfield of taggers, plodders and pea hearts we've constructed over the last 5 years.

our footskills appear to have gone backwards under malthouse from ratten. suddenly the better skilled players like Kade, Gibbs & Yarran are even miscuing 30 metre passes. Spearing it too low to speed the play up, simply because there are no runners spreading.

our fitness. we are not an afl calibre football team. we struggle to run out a quarter, let alone an entire game. I turn 40 this year, and no shit, I could run with a few of our "AFL" players for 100 minutes.

Yes our board and CEO are self serving pretentious pricks (times like these we really need the swear filter removed)
Yes our CEO is an invisible man who we still don't know
yes we take short cuts because we're focussed on the business aspect of gaining a net return each year, rather than a full rebuild.
yes our coach is 10 years past it.
our fitness is at 75% of every other club in the comp
our skills and handling are at 66% of every other club.

... the day we drafted murhpy and gibbs, was the day we did unrepairable damage to our club's culture. Frontrunners and me first-types who don't have the heart for battle and the commitment to put the club first. i don't blame murphy and gibbs, afterall they only mirror what's happening at the board level of this club.

I think we could have drafted hodge and Joel selwood and our board would've ruined them too.


as fans of this club, we really need to take it back from the self servers, the pretentious preened pretenders poking promiscuously at the board level and bring it back to us, the fans.

i'm calling for a revolt.

Players totally underdone physically and mentally for the start of this season.

Royal Commission into 2014/15 preseason req.

i predict another 3 million dollar loss..

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waste and mismanagement

follow the O & M FL Synbad,both Setanta and Fev snagged the ton last year and started with 6 and 11 this season. Much better than watching the Carlton rabble.

Sure we won games with Ratten but the problem is the same now as it was then.Our players are marshmallows, when they are challenged their piss down their legs and go into their shells

Times like this I miss Paganite03. Back in the good old days of 2004/2005 after we had copped a 15 goal dicking you could jump online and have a 2000 word treatise, with diagrams, of the genius coach and his gameplan and how it was just about to click into place. Now all we get is jumbled logic from AE about something something Rattens gameplan was to play dominoes.

Saddest thing is that i dont care enough to be angry. Taking my little bloke to GWS game today which should be very enjoyable.

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