Not sure I agree with that. The ball spent most of its time in their forward half. We struggled to get it into our forward line.

I hate going to Collingwood games, we had a couple of feral supporters sitting next to us. Even other Collingwood supporters were having a go at them. On the way to Jolimont station we came across a fight, 3 guys jumped another one who ended up with blood pouring from his nose.
There is just something about them.

well u have to be left with only them
u cant play with fragile minds and hearts

and yeah cimm.. he has no clue.

i suggest he watches the game again... with his blinkers off
its one thing to not be good enough
its another to be scared

there are a heap of guys running around grounds each week smaller or same size who arent plying terrified footy

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There is no system
No structure
No plan
No guidance
No confidence
And no hope
This lies fairly at the feet of the coach and coaches
The left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing
We were constantly out numbered at the contest kick blindly and handpassed to players under pressure
With out one shadow of doubt they are the worst coached team in the comp
And only when the shackles are released do they resemble a football side
It will take years to fix this mess

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The board should be overthrown, Mick sacked, Swann sacked, FD sacked, playing list gutted.

Start again...

Collingwood supporters are out on their own when it comes to behaviour. Almost seems that they try and outdo each other. Boo and carry on towards a premiership player (was over the top in my opinion) and cheer a criminal

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Thomas no doubt is keen to tackle. And tackle with intent.

Might not have been scared, but did appear fragile mentally at times last night. His first kick obviously and also late in the 3rd quarter I think, when he very nearly lost all composure and tried to show some misguided aggression.

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Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

No pressure on the opposition ball carriers. Just tackle them FFS don't wait for them to kick the ball and attempt a smother, or second guess who is the receiver. Not good enough.

I did like the look of Bell in the last quarter when he took off out of the middle. That warmed the heart.

interesting article with comments at the bottom on last nights match
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/m ... f-comments

2 words - Dale & Everitt

FMD just the type of players we needed to trade .... soft and softer!!!!

That's right, we don't recruit (enough of) our own and develop them, we supplement our 'stars' who we wrap in cotton wool.

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Every team has their ferals, but the Filth ferals do really take the cake.

Look at the basics of the game. When the blues get them right they are competitive and can play some fantastic footy...

Problem is they rarely nail the basics....

1%ers, contested ball! workrate.

Non negotiable basic elements of a professional contact team sport.

For a decade now, players have rarely been dropped or disciplined for failing to meet the basic requirements. There are always excuses made, like poor form or injury,mor lack of a proper pre-season.

Mick has done it 3 times when it should have been across the whole team. Ratten a few times, but rarely with senior players or established players. Pagan maybe once with Fev, but should have done it about dozen times with Fev.

Its pathetic to watch a once great and proud club, self implode into mediocrity and timidness.

Players like The dominator, Doull, hunter, big nick, jimmy Buckley, Fitzy, diesel, SOS, etc must be watching this and thinking "what the @#$%&! are these well paid clowns doing to the carlton jumper?"

My anger has always been directed at the inconsistency with the playing group to meet the basic requirements of this game, and their poor leadership on and off the field. The wins and losses I can deal with.

If we had lost last week against the eagles, I would have been able to deal with that, and take lots of positives out of the game.

I was one of the few to be disappointed with our first finals win last year against the tigers. We gave them a 6 goal start again, and in the end relied on them self imploding and shitting their pants in the second half. All week we heard about how Judd flicked the switch in the second half. Judd was part of the problem as to why we were 6 goals down.

We then met the swans the next week and played the same way. Didn't address any of the inherent problems in the team. The swans had injuries before and during the game, one man short and yet they slammed us in the first half and in that 3rd quarter.

We managed 39 tackles for the game where the swans had 450 possessions. How did we expect to get the ball back off them?

The club didn't address that loss during the pre season, so why would they start this season any different?

Players talk shit in public after they win and after they lose as well.

I don't hear many teams talk like that in public. Imagine the sort of self serving garbage that the players say to themselves during the week?

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Agree 100%

Laughable the people who knock Rowe and White, these blokes are putting their bodies in 100% every week, White had a broken neck last year, Rowe we all know the story, whats really sad is without those two we would have had our 2 first round defenders Watto and Bootsma in the team

..we'd be left with a team don't worry about that.. ..and they'd be a real team.. ..i'm not sure how it happened, but it seems as if the term 'honest footballer' has somehow become a talk down.. ....they might not win enough to be a real threat, but hard consistent honest football could get them in the eight.. ..what it will do is set the benchmark, so the kids with the talent and drive (e.g Menz and crisps) aren't picking up any bad habits..

..trench warfare, pick your side to be with you.. .... ..we go with a simple game plan that relies upon work ethic.. ..so you don't need a smart football brain, you don't need high end talent.. ..but what you do need, we lack.... ..so start slowly changing the make up of the team, shift talent down the pecking order of Carlton requirements.. ..cos lately talent comes with entitlement.. ..and I'm not too jazzy with people that feel 'entitled'....

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where are all these players you speak of BKB?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

....same how people knock krooz, footballers that do bleed for the jumper, every week, no matter the state of the game..

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Exactly. The group has been the same for years. No deficiencies addressed. For years they have been called soft, downhill skiers, mentally weak and not prepared o work hard both ways.

Now that the leaders carrying the team each weak are ageing. The rest of the list has been badly exposed.

I think back on all our victories over the last few years, they are down to individual brilliance. Judd dominating, Fev kicking a bag, Eddie kicking a bag, Waite dominating etc

There is no team.

..injured some of them, some you could almost attribute to the wear and tear of picking up the slack.. ..I was more talking healthy list wise, i'd leave out a few 'names'.. ..as we get some players back, phase them in at the expense of the fakers.. ..army should be returning soon, bit by bit we need to remake the look of this team, cos any young talent we have will pick up bad habits, just like our leaders did off their leaders when they were becoming carltonised.. ..it should mean a good thing, but not for a while now..

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Murphy was very poor last night, and listening to him on SEN today, I don't think he appreciates his responsibilities as captain and our leading mid-fielder. The comparison with Joel Selwood is glaring.

What concerned me as well were a few other players, who just didn't work. Garlett, Lucas, Everitt, Gibbs and McLean get around the ground, but nobody could seriously suggest that they worked anywhere near as hard as their Collingwood counterparts. I don't think Collingwood are that good, and they've got a seriously depleted defence, but they work for each other incredibly diligently, and get results accordingly.

The fundamental problem is the attitude of a few senior players. In their midst they have one of the greatest players of this generation, Chris Judd, who demonstrates complete professionalism, but I have severe doubts as to whether some of our other leading lights come close to emulating him. I believe this would be a problem both on game day and on the training track. These guys are paid significant sums of money to be professional athletes, but I think some of them have the opinion the club should be grateful for their mere presence.

I can handle losing games, but I can't deal with players who won't commit to their colleagues and won't commit to the profession they've chosen.

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