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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:58 pm 
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Can we get some kind of promise from the players and the club to the supporters for once?
Can they promise #HONESTY ?

Its a landmark year.. and i dont get the feeling of any honesty from this club....

There is a sense of #HOODWINK

what the @#$%&! does #BELIEVE mean... if there is no #HONESTY???

Last night there was no #HONESTY


You know I was thinking the same thing ... watching our players kick off one step in a panic when they had the ball in a tight area is because they lack confidence that a team mate will protect them by way of blocking or shepherding ... and why you may ask is the reason they lack the confidence in their team mate to protect them ??? ... because they themselves lack in this area.

There is a lot of me, me, me with this team.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:03 pm 
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The "gutless" smashing we had to have after the euphoria of the last 2 weeks. Ensured that the paper over those cracks were exposed again and the appropriate changes will be made.

Got the best of all worlds in a way. Got into the finals at the expense of Essendon* ( :grin: ), beat Richmond ( :grin: ) in a final from 9th and consequently finished above Collingwood ( :grin: ) then got the smashing we had to have to ensure change.

Funnily enough an almost perfect season!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:05 pm 
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exactly skills under pressure.

if you watch training the skills can be very good..

withches hats

if 20 of us went out there against us they would beat us by 300 points
25 of us went out there still they would win by 250 points

if a VFL reserves side went to play them they would win by 220 points
VFL team 100 points
MElb 50 points

but each time the pressure goes up the victory will be tighter..

till they play good sides and lose..

why?
cos good sides use pressure...

physical and mental pressure..

even if we fluffed things up.. there was no excuse to not work hard..

39 tackles on a night we saw lots of backsides???...

thats your indicator for the week!!!

and thats what pissed me off!!!

not because we lost.... but we didnt work at all and lost..!!!

they cheated!!!

they cheated themselves... they cheated mates of mine that went to support them..

and they let down the club and everyone associated with it

people can argue game plan all they like here

but this group cheated and didnt work and brought great shame to this club

one win from a prelim against a winged side.. and they didnt want it!!!.. cant get any lower than that in sport!!!

No heroes!!!.. noone stepped up to claim his olive branch wreath.. noone cared!!!...
AFTER so many years of being shit!!!.. icked in the teeth by everybody.. a crack opens.. and they didnt even want it enough!!!...

That mean s we have a team whos tone is to be mediocre.. its their bubble!!... theyre comfortablle in there!!!

They like it there!!!
The comfort zone of mediocrity!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:06 pm 
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jim wrote:
The "gutless" smashing we had to have after the euphoria of the last 2 weeks. Ensured that the paper over those cracks were exposed again and the appropriate changes will be made.

Got the best of all worlds in a way. Got into the finals at the expense of Essendon** ( :grin: ), beat Richmond ( :grin: ) in a final from 9th and consequently finished above Collingwood ( :grin: ) then got the smashing we had to have to ensure change.

Funnily enough an almost perfect season!

if youre chasing the tail of the dragon of mediocrity its almost a perfect season....

we have to stop giving a @#$%&! what other clubs are doing and begin caring about what were doing!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:10 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
jim wrote:
The "gutless" smashing we had to have after the euphoria of the last 2 weeks. Ensured that the paper over those cracks were exposed again and the appropriate changes will be made.

Got the best of all worlds in a way. Got into the finals at the expense of Essendon*** ( :grin: ), beat Richmond ( :grin: ) in a final from 9th and consequently finished above Collingwood ( :grin: ) then got the smashing we had to have to ensure change.

Funnily enough an almost perfect season!

if youre chasing the tail of the dragon of mediocrity its almost a perfect season....

we have to stop giving a @#$%&! what other clubs are doing and begin caring about what were doing!!!


If you read what I wrote there's alot of tongue-in-cheek about what I said.

We needed the brains beaten out of us so those flaws weren't covered over by the previous 2 weeks. We have a work ethic, attitude and culture problems that would've been heavily disguised if we fluked our way into a PF. Now MM can attack those aspects with venom.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:11 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
with a list shuffle and some more mids i think we will kick long less and link up a bit more

i hope

we had a great opportunity.. we didnt capitalise
They were 2 men down.
they were underdone..

all we needed was some har d work..and to keep touch with them for 3 quarters...and then we would have run over the top of them

but nooooooooooooooo!!!.. they didnt wanna slip and maybe jeapordise themselves for the freo game.
they didnt want to be honest
they wanted to be cheats

we support a team of cheats...

yes they can argue with me all they like...

but they should use the swans as a marker.. and if they were honest.. (this group is rarely honest).. they would have to agree.

our team cheated themselves and us..!!!..

should have been regulation if they had heart.. pride and a work ethic.. some honesty

freo will smash them!!!... but they will still be honest....!!!

Theyre a champion team.. thats why theyre honest.. ad theyre honest thats why theyre a champion team

Richmond andCarlton???

Theyre not honest....
They just like the spoils that success brings.. but without the hard work

when mitchell and tippett went down, I thought we'd romp it in.
it's like we never clicked in to the riht gear.
hats off to swannies for fighting like that, and showing us how it' done through will, passion, tons of hard work and enough talented players to hopd the structures despite losing a few quality players.
I do give our guys leeway for being tired after our personal GF last week. The poor surface may have dented their confidence to play with flair. They did start that way, but before long were back in their shells.
A few too many inexperienced/possibly less than top flight players in the team too.
Sorry if that's a little harsh.
BB like you I am ever opitmistic, while still able to see that it's probsbly gonna be longer than we want.
However, I'd prefer to dream big too. that's just our nature.
Of course the pragmatic point of view is equally valid.
So this year, we are a top 8 side, and really, the best outside the 4, aswe did recently beat Port. :smile:
Next year, I reckon we're a great chance to be from 6 to 4.
So there gloomy ones. :grin:
can't wait to see who we pick up.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:18 pm 
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When we got the contested ball we were tackled and gang tackled.
They gave us no time and no space.

What did we do?

We coralled them, herded them, shepherded them, (and we have all year) and they just gave it off and fast.

We gave them time and space in a final. The ticker thing is another story.

Why dont our players just charge their opponent at the hips...full steam?????
Its easy to do and its standard for finals. Non negotiable.

Were they fatigued?
Were they saving them selves for the last?
Were they just dishonest with their commitment.
We are talking about guys who are paid handsomely to commit to the non negotiables.

Is it the coach?
I dont want to take pot shots here because MM has only been here for a year.

The players lacked something in the desire stakes (we've seen them do it in patches during the season).

The boys bent over and let the Swans have their way. Simple as that.
Or they were fatigued. Which one?

I believe we could have run over them in the last, if the scores were within 2-3 goals at 3/4 time. They had the strength to do that so I dont believe its just fatigue from the Richmond game 6 days earlier.

They didnt want to do the hard work: Grunt. They dont have Grunt. Meek perhaps.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:21 pm 
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the swans were fatigued too..
okeefe does a thigh at the siren...

the point is .. how much do our players want succeess???

swans do..

theyre winning stuff but they still have an appetite...

our players dont care... they care only about their comfort zone

There are a couple of exceptions...but im lumping them all in together as its a team sport...!!!.. and they are defined by their team mates...

The ones that care should punch the ones that dont in the face!!

The ones that dont are selfish!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:23 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
with a list shuffle and some more mids i think we will kick long less and link up a bit more

i hope

we had a great opportunity.. we didnt capitalise
They were 2 men down.
they were underdone..

all we needed was some har d work..and to keep touch with them for 3 quarters...and then we would have run over the top of them

but nooooooooooooooo!!!.. they didnt wanna slip and maybe jeapordise themselves for the freo game.
they didnt want to be honest
they wanted to be cheats

we support a team of cheats...

yes they can argue with me all they like...

but they should use the swans as a marker.. and if they were honest.. (this group is rarely honest).. they would have to agree.

our team cheated themselves and us..!!!..

should have been regulation if they had heart.. pride and a work ethic.. some honesty

freo will smash them!!!... but they will still be honest....!!!

Theyre a champion team.. thats why theyre honest.. ad theyre honest thats why theyre a champion team

Richmond andCarlton???

Theyre not honest....
They just like the spoils that success brings.. but without the hard work

when mitchell and tippett went down, I thought we'd romp it in.
it's like we never clicked in to the riht gear.
hats off to swannies for fighting like that, and showing us how it' done through will, passion, tons of hard work and enough talented players to hopd the structures despite losing a few quality players.
I do give our guys leeway for being tired after our personal GF last week. The poor surface may have dented their confidence to play with flair. They did start that way, but before long were back in their shells.
A few too many inexperienced/possibly less than top flight players in the team too.
Sorry if that's a little harsh.
BB like you I am ever opitmistic, while still able to see that it's probsbly gonna be longer than we want.
However, I'd prefer to dream big too. that's just our nature.
Of course the pragmatic point of view is equally valid.
So this year, we are a top 8 side, and really, the best outside the 4, aswe did recently beat Port. :smile:
Next year, I reckon we're a great chance to be from 6 to 4.
So there gloomy ones. :grin:
can't wait to see who we pick up.


kudos to you for your optimism but I think we will miss the eight

still too heavily reliant on an ageing Judd and Murphy

too many gaps on our list with no real depth, this won't change in one off season

we are 3 -5 years away if it all goes well

and it hasn't started well with talk of a 29 year old Staker possibly coming to the Blues


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:23 pm 
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Does an attempted tackle count? We had plenty.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:32 pm 
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need a heart to tackle...
our over reliance on murphy and judd is now our achilles heel

these guys dont chase back

and murphy needs someone better so he isnt the main man

yes he is carrying a knee.. but alot of great players are ...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:35 pm 
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WOW wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
with a list shuffle and some more mids i think we will kick long less and link up a bit more

i hope

we had a great opportunity.. we didnt capitalise
They were 2 men down.
they were underdone..

all we needed was some har d work..and to keep touch with them for 3 quarters...and then we would have run over the top of them

but nooooooooooooooo!!!.. they didnt wanna slip and maybe jeapordise themselves for the freo game.
they didnt want to be honest
they wanted to be cheats

we support a team of cheats...

yes they can argue with me all they like...

but they should use the swans as a marker.. and if they were honest.. (this group is rarely honest).. they would have to agree.

our team cheated themselves and us..!!!..

should have been regulation if they had heart.. pride and a work ethic.. some honesty

freo will smash them!!!... but they will still be honest....!!!

Theyre a champion team.. thats why theyre honest.. ad theyre honest thats why theyre a champion team

Richmond andCarlton???

Theyre not honest....
They just like the spoils that success brings.. but without the hard work

when mitchell and tippett went down, I thought we'd romp it in.
it's like we never clicked in to the riht gear.
hats off to swannies for fighting like that, and showing us how it' done through will, passion, tons of hard work and enough talented players to hopd the structures despite losing a few quality players.
I do give our guys leeway for being tired after our personal GF last week. The poor surface may have dented their confidence to play with flair. They did start that way, but before long were back in their shells.
A few too many inexperienced/possibly less than top flight players in the team too.
Sorry if that's a little harsh.
BB like you I am ever opitmistic, while still able to see that it's probsbly gonna be longer than we want.
However, I'd prefer to dream big too. that's just our nature.
Of course the pragmatic point of view is equally valid.
So this year, we are a top 8 side, and really, the best outside the 4, aswe did recently beat Port. :smile:
Next year, I reckon we're a great chance to be from 6 to 4.
So there gloomy ones. :grin:
can't wait to see who we pick up.


kudos to you for your optimism but I think we will miss the eight

still too heavily reliant on an ageing Judd and Murphy

too many gaps on our list with no real depth, this won't change in one off season

we are 3 -5 years away if it all goes well

and it hasn't started well with talk of a 29 year old Staker possibly coming to the Blues

wait and see who we lose and who we pick up.
and some new coaching staff??
dunno..things might click a whole lot sooner than 3 to 5 years I reckon.
McVeigh needed to be stopped. did not happen. was puzzled by that.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:37 pm 
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you cant escape the fact that we kicked the ball to him 20 times in one quarter...

think about that for a minute...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:39 pm 
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why i say that... is we had 6 forwards there and didnt find the lot of them 20 times in the game...

#BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:41 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
the swans were fatigued too..
okeefe does a thigh at the siren...

the point is .. how much do our players want succeess???

swans do..

theyre winning stuff but they still have an appetite...

our players dont care... they care only about their comfort zone

There are a couple of exceptions...but im lumping them all in together as its a team sport...!!!.. and they are defined by their team mates...

The ones that care should punch the ones that dont in the face!!

The ones that dont are selfish!


I have thought that so many times this year,
but then look at the reactions when they beat tiggers..
I love that stuff. makes you fall in love with the team again.
I guesss we all hoped they'd show that again but they slipped back.
i think it's more loss of confidence than loss of passion. after all, we've seen the passion.
Juddy last week...Simmo..scotty.
nah, it is there..just battered about. (there might be a couple of exceptions to that)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:47 pm 
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Thinking about our team is like thinking about stuff like ....

...... before there was the big boom what was there???.....
if you were a space traveller and ived forever....where does the universe end....???
or what is love????...

its just best not to think about us with any rational kind of thinking....

i hear that mick cant get his head around our club too......true..!!!...not talking about the things u do see.. (the team).. but the things we dont see.. (the club )

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:03 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Thinking about our team is like thinking about stuff like ....

...... before there was the big boom what was there???.....
if you were a space traveller and ived forever....where does the universe end....???
or what is love????...

its just best not to think about us with any rational kind of thinking....

i hear that mick cant get his head around our club too......true..!!!...not talking about the things u do see.. (the team).. but the things we dont see.. (the club )



:lol: to the 1st part.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:25 am 
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Yes a pathetic effort
where are all those posters from last week


the club must change
board of six
high standards
get rid of players who wont chase and just want to be average

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