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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:17 am 
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Not one mention of Tuohy's game?

Kept the All Australian forward in Breust to 8 touches and 1 behind, and set up a few himself.

He does better with at least one of the two OOF, and he's my BOG.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:20 am 
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More I think about it, Kreuzer was very good last night too. Did the things Cazzesman was talking about earlier re: Casboult. Contested well, clunked more than normal, and brought it to ground smartly.

Didn't mind Bootsma's game. Wasn't great by any stretch, but there's something about him that should be persisted with.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:21 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:23 am 
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Not one mention of Tuohy's game?

Kept the All Australian forward in Breust to 8 touches and 1 behind, and set up a few himself.

He does better with at least one of the two OOF, and he's my BOG.



Good idea and get the focus back on the good things our players did.

Tuohy was fantastic. Solid. Tough.
I thought he showed some really good leg speed too.
8 touches and 1 behind: priceless.

A lot of our players were great last night.
I didn't mention Tuohy in my best but then again there were about 15 players last night who were my best. Simpson, Gibbs and Scotland were my top 3.....then again how can I look over such a great defensive effort of Tuohy and Judd's never say die...and Cachia.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:26 am 
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I'm a Tuohy fan and thought he played well but to have him ahead of Gibbs, Simpson and McLean is a bit strange IMO???

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I forgot to mention Tuohy last night, he has been doing well in that role this season.

I noticed us kicking to the trainers/runners as well... Why aren't they required to be in lighter colours?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:28 am 
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Just saw a replay of the Murphy incident, nothing in it, hodge had his eyes on the ball, was committed and went in as you would expect any good tough player to do.. Technically high contact should have resulted in a free but not intentional.. Just a good hard attack on the ball.



Incorrect. I disagree.

The replay only shows the last 2 seconds, not his intent 2-3 seconds before that.



Hodge broke his jaw and deliberately wanted to take Murphy out/get some high contact on him. Hodge charged with his shoulder high. That hit- just as much as the diabolical umpiring (the Simpson one for holding the ball in the 1st quarter took the case as the most terrible umpiring decision one could ever see) were the real reasons for Hawthorn's "victory". Hodge - plus his hit on Henderson - should get a minimum sentence of 5 weeks....but we both know he won't. I predict him getting off scot free.



Contrast Dangerfield's attack on Murphy last year - he went for the body - Dangerfield's body was stronger- they both initiated contact. No problems with that at all.





Also - Hawthorn is a short kicking team. To get out of trouble they kick 8-10 metres A LOT. The umpire always blows his whistle and considers it as a mark. They do it a lot near their forward line. Have the knowledge- umpires- to call play on. It is endorsing a form of cheating by allowing 10 metre marks. The minimum distance is 15 metres just in case they don't know.


Footy is just a bit too depressing for me right now, gonna give it a break for a while. Still, could be worse. I could be a soccer supporter where nearly every match is decided by penalty goals and the referee's whim.


nothing in the Hodge/Murph contest - Hodge never left the ground, reaching out for the ball - unfortunate result of a physical contest that most little blokes will come out worse from




Don't worry about the Hodge/Murphy incident, Hodge has to worry about his gutless, sniper like unworthy elbow to Henderson.

I believe the biggest insult I can deliver on that was that it was "Clarksonesque".

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:33 am 
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I'm a Tuohy fan and thought he played well but to have him ahead of Gibbs, Simpson and McLean is a bit strange IMO???


I said if.

McLean my best on ground.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:36 am 
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Synbad wrote:
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t.

hodge has a big body and he knows how to use it...
trained in the art of hurting psuhing the rules
its quite a skill....

im not sure how hawthorn were allowed to have all 22 players jog off that field healthy last night.

i hate violence... but thats one game that should have been earmarked as a perfect for the friday night home viewer if the IWF wasnt on....

there are 4 or 5 players you wouldnt target because theyre like batfink... but there are a few players you can send away on an ambulance and have blokes like hodge off their game indirectly.. plus u clip their outside wings more.

hawthorn is suspect... they have a weird mix too...!!!... inside their hard to combat... but you can exploit them outside



I agree. We don't have a physical player as well trained in the art like Hodge. We have a reckless physical player such as Waite- but he doesn't know how to disguise it, so it is counter-productive. He might as well not do it at all if he can't disguise his intent. Hodge could impose a tackle such as what Waite did in the last quarter with as much damage but make it look like an accident. Waite can't. He simply can't so he might as well forget doing it all together.

Even some of his dad's blatant hits on Richmond and Collingwood players in finals (the big backline enforcer Vinny Waite) were better disguised that Waite Jnrs.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:43 am 
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How can a team go through the better part of a half of football with 2 free kicks

Holding the ball
Head high contact
Buddy playing on out of bounds without going over the man on the mark
Illegal disposal
Dropping the ball
Deliberate out of bounds

Reamed again.


Tell you what Brad, I don't get on here and bag the umpires often, but we got butchered last night, that tackle by Judd on Hodge, well if that wasn't holding the ball or incorrect disposal or whatever the clowns that make the rule want to call it I'll be bent over and [REDACTED] by a black dog, I have been watching and playing the game for 45 years but I have no idea how this game is umpired any more, Chamberlain and Nicholls are two of the most useless turds I have ever seen, if that is the standard bring back bloody Ian Robinson and Kevin Smith,(older Carlton supporters will know what I am talking about).

We worked hard last night and were effectively two men down, as Mick said in the press conference you can't fault the effort, I thought we tightened up in the third quarter and made some mistakes from inferred pressure, but I thought it was a very even performance.

In the end we just weren't good enough and there is no shame in that, but I am starting to see some discipline in the side that hasn't been present for a long time, and I wonder if a couple of things had gone differently, like the poxy umpiring, would have the result been different, who knows, we are not that far away but definitely not good enough this year.

I hope our CEO and President have the balls to back our coach up and submit an official complaint to the AFL regarding the seemingly blatant biased officiating of last nights game.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:51 am 
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Best game I've seen from a Carlton side this century.

Still a long way to go but worth keeping in mind the team we played are flag favorites.

An even spread of decisions and we probably win.

But I'm actually not that fussed about the result. We take that attitude to every game and we win 16 or 17 for the year.

Mick now has a better idea of what he has to work with and it's a whole lot more than he might have thought last week.

Very different games.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:53 am 
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Taff wrote:
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Still not happy.

When will we be man enough to win a contest like this?

Even Richmond have beaten Hawthorn!


I actually thought (now that I have almost calmed down) that with fair umpiring we would have won this. eddie's snap when he should have handballed, and curnows miss could have still won it.

so I thought we did well tonight and showed enough to think we are on the right track.

even rowe and lucas were ok.

but can someone tell my why Mitchell wasn't free-kicked for that one-handed throw? was a free poaid against waite?




Yes the push in the back happened before the "throw".


Don't know about that Taff, rewound and replayed that on about 8 times and found that very difficult to split in real time, even with the benefit of my new glasses, is there a rule regarding two opposing free kicks that happen simultaneously? I would have thought that the FAIR decision would be a ball up.

But then again what would I know about the rules, I have only been watching the game avidly since I was 4 or 5, which incidentally is before Nicholls and Chamberlain were spat against the wall and hatched by the sun.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:55 am 
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Losing !@#$%& sucks. These losses !@#$%& hurt.

Gutted. Again.

Some might argue we have improved but losing is losing. We still can't take that next step and I fear that this will end up being another wasted season.


couldn't have given much more tonight - just aren't legit top 4 yet - but we know that already


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:55 am 
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Difference again is our hard nuts lack polish - Curnow and Armfield will miss crucial set shots and in doing so are the difference

Also, on the flip side our quick skilled types lack hardness. Yazz we know about and last night Garletts whole game was affected bec he played scared

I don't think the unskilled can become skilled so they'll be phased out. Cachia looks like an upgrade on the likes of Curnow and Robbo. As good as Curnows tagging has been his lack of polish is what sets us apart from the better sides

Can the skilled and quick be made to be harder? Maybe - Davis and Thomas are cases in point and Mick must do the same with Jeff and Yazz

I bet Mick can't wait to get McCinnes and Graham and Menzel into the side.

We are not far off the pace. About 3 goals off the top sides. The ladder is misleading.

But we won't bridge the gap with the 22 who played last night.

NEed to address the problem with hard but unpolished and skilled but soft playing stock

And need to find another quality key forward

I think it's time to use free agency for a free hit and also time to trade away things of value. Trade Warnock. Trade our first pick. Trade a Yazz or Jeff if they can't be toughened up

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:03 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
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Still not happy.

When will we be man enough to win a contest like this?

Even Richmond have beaten Hawthorn!


I actually thought (now that I have almost calmed down) that with fair umpiring we would have won this. eddie's snap when he should have handballed, and curnows miss could have still won it.

so I thought we did well tonight and showed enough to think we are on the right track.

even rowe and lucas were ok.

but can someone tell my why Mitchell wasn't free-kicked for that one-handed throw? was a free poaid against waite?



The umpire said that Waite infringed first. If your head hadn't been ringing, you'd have heard it.


Sorry Blue S, don't give a @#$%&! what the umpire said, they both happened at the same time.

We're these the same umpires that called play on when Juddy caught Hodge cold?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:12 am 
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Jarred *#*&**& Waite - I dont think I have ever seen a more dumb / self-centred / undiscilpined player in the last 30 years I have been watching the Blues - tough isn't riding an unprotected player into the ground after he has disposed off the footy

If you can't get a kick don't cost the team a goal because you are having a hissy-fit

Everytime he goes into a contest whether its spoiling / tackling / chasing I am always hold my breathe that he doesn't get reported / downfield / give away a soft free kick

They only bigger knobs out on the ground than Waite were the umps


Have to disagree ..... he caught him in the act of kicking the football ....... that's why the football turned 45 degrees to where he was going to kick it (ie: he caught him and spun him)

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Jarred *#*&**& Waite - I dont think I have ever seen a more dumb / self-centred / undiscilpined player in the last 30 years I have been watching the Blues - tough isn't riding an unprotected player into the ground after he has disposed off the footy

If you can't get a kick don't cost the team a goal because you are having a hissy-fit

Everytime he goes into a contest whether its spoiling / tackling / chasing I am always hold my breathe that he doesn't get reported / downfield / give away a soft free kick

They only bigger knobs out on the ground than Waite were the umps


Have to disagree ..... he caught him in the act of kicking the football ....... that's why the football turned 45 degrees to where he was going to kick it (ie: he caught him and spun him)


And he didn't drive him into the ground, it just looked like it.

But the umps sweated on it, (just like the channel 7 cameras funny enough).

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:16 am 
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Can't remember the exact words but Kernahan said something like ....... we saw some something very disturbing in the second half tonight and none of it was attributed to Carlton players

It was mentioned prior to the presentation to Judd for his 250th

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:17 am 
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Navy One wrote:
Bomba Sheldon wrote:
Jarred *#*&**& Waite - I dont think I have ever seen a more dumb / self-centred / undiscilpined player in the last 30 years I have been watching the Blues - tough isn't riding an unprotected player into the ground after he has disposed off the footy

If you can't get a kick don't cost the team a goal because you are having a hissy-fit

Everytime he goes into a contest whether its spoiling / tackling / chasing I am always hold my breathe that he doesn't get reported / downfield / give away a soft free kick

They only bigger knobs out on the ground than Waite were the umps


Have to disagree ..... he caught him in the act of kicking the football ....... that's why the football turned 45 degrees to where he was going to kick it (ie: he caught him and spun him)


And drove him into the ground with another typical undisciplined Jarrad Waite - if he'd of released him after he kicked he may have got away with it, but Jarrad being Jarrad he just had to to do a dumb / selfish act AGAIN and cost us a goal 20 seconds from the siren

We lost by 15 pts and it may have hd no bearing on result, but when we were charging in the last qtr, the panic stations may have been a bit for for the HAwks had they been 3 pts down rather than 9 pts - its all academic now but Waite is all about himself

PS - If it was 45 degrees than the ball would have gone out deep in the pocket close to 50 arc on the boundary rather then 15 metres out


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apart from our effort, the best aspect of tonight's game was Gibbs. He was superb in the clearances. I have been wanting to say that for 6 years. Hopefully, he can continue as he will need to step up with Judd towards the end of his career.


Ditto re Gibbs...al class...can't hammer him for the fumble in the last 2 mins.
Scotto and Simmo outstanding too


Gibbs fumble led to a goal. Directly to a goal without passing 'go'.

He had a good game tonight, including some in and under stuff but if people are going to crucify Lucas for being genuinely outmarked and we are going to gloss over Gibbs's fumble under not that much pressure, we are just playing favourites.

Personally I think Armfield, Curnow, Casboult's easy misses from close in were more important to the loss than anything else.
It's been typical of our footy since well before this year. Poor finishing from set shots.


I think we had a few spent before we got them, Gibbs's fumble was one of them, Garlett was another IIRC and there were 3 or 4 more that happened although the players escape me for the moment, they also happened for the other side, it's called pressure and it does happen, Lucas's effort in the marking contest you are referring to was piss weak pure and simple, he didn't judge the flight of the ball correctly, had no intensty for that contest and was out bodied by a smaller, lighter player.
The correct option for that contest, in the postion on the ground that it was in should have been the spoil from behind, there was plenty of height on the kick.
Poor effort end of story.

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