Yes, but based on what? Surely you must be basing that opinion on some data or facts or information or something. What is it?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

by the time you count to ten he'll be injured again

Kreuz is our ruck and Hammer or Rowe or Cas can give him a chop out

Hes been fit.. its no excuse
26 he should be coming into his own as a ruckman
we just signed him up for 3 years.........

the lunacy of it all.....

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Duigan and yarran haven't had a good quarter of footy since 2011.

If our midfield had any smarts, they would have ran off hampson at every opportunity after he marked it. Gibbs did once and kicked a goal.

Until waite is ready, maybe hampson, and kreuzer could play forward and warnock to ruck all day. White could come in for versatility and one of the big men could be subbed if they are dysfunctional up forward.

There you go... some thinking points.

Even if i dont agree with everything you made some points.

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Year can be lazy but he had 2 very good quarters on Thursday night and had some big games last year, it's more consistency with Yaz.

Thanks pop

Have an opinion Synbad. Just don't support your argument by making stuff up.

Yazz was ordinary, he is a goal of the year highlight nowadays. Mid-forward is his position but he is down on confidence or lazy. Combination of both

YOU need to watch the game.....

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Drop hammer?

Look I am not a fan but he played very well, the bolt will be gone well before he is

Duigan out he was woeful

Aj out just not upto it

Lads in even though out of form and guessing bell as well

Assuming Warnock was signed as insurance nothing more

I feel like we've had this discussion before BV. I don't intend to go over it all again, but it would be rude of me to ignore your questions....

Suffice to say that when I see Carlton play I do not see a side with a settled backline or quality forwards who consistently stand up in big games. I do not see a midfield that consistently strikes the right balance between attack and defence, or has shown a capacity to consistently work through adversity when the going gets really tough. I do not see a well balanced list with depth in most positions. I do not see a well-drilled team that is as disciplined and focused as the better sides. I do not see a side that really knows how to deliver the game style its coach wants it to play.

I was saying these things before the 2012 season started, so please stop talking about our injuries.

As I've said before, I am quite hopeful that this time next year (ie. after 2 pre-seasons and at least 22 AFL games under MM, and an active trade/FA week) we will be a stronger team (and club). But I see 2013 as the classic one step backwards to go two steps forward. I've said this before, but it reminds me a little of what Parkin had to do in 1991.

I would dearly love to be wrong, but I think we need to brace ourselves for more short term pain. However, at some point it should start to 'click' under MM. There's every chance we'll be 0-5, but then be 6-6. With decent luck re: injuries and close games (although it must be said that we are not off to a good start in either regard), we should press for a spot in the finals from there....but I cannot see us finishing above the likes of Haw, Syd, Coll, Geel and the WA clubs in 2013. History shows us that you have to finish top 4 to win the flag and there's only so many spots. I just don't think we're better than those clubs. Plus you have the likes of Adel, Ess, Rich & NM pushing up. I fear that at least some of these clubs have gone past us.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

So, what you're really sayin is we'll be worse under MM than BR....sheesh

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I'm not saying that at all. Quite the opposite in fact.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

Largely agree

agree with abns

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

So it wasn't Ratten's fault that we failed last year?