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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:42 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Hmmmm ...

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Everyone knew Ratten couldn't coach : Oh really

Under Ratten we made steady progress ... except for a year where we were completely destroyed by injuries ... even the media now admits this. Our greatest coach ... David Parkin ... many times stated that Ratten had a great football brain for coaching. So did another premiership coach ... Robert Walls. But obviously you know more about Ratten than they do.
S0 ... using the word 'Everyone' is not just an overstatement ... it is completely incorrect ... hahah ... laughable.

Assumption:
Even port didn't give him a gig'

This shows a little bit of ignorance ... sorry Synbad. Ratten knocked back the Port job as did other candidates who also knew they were a complete basket case.

OK ...
How many years did it take for Tricky Micky to win his first premiership?
How many years did it take Bomber Thomson to win his first premiership?


Carlton missed a huge opportunity to have a young coach and a favorite son, coach this team (which he built) into a successful erra. Instead we went out and appointed a Collingwood coach. Even you could coach this team to premiership Synbad and now Tricky Micky will reap the rewards ... If he does not succeed in the next 2 years ... then its a BIG FAIL.

Lets hope that he does succeed. We all want whats best for the mighty Blues.


what tripe

'if even synbad could coach this team to a flag'

why didnt ratten do it then?

go on................. say injuries

and 'if even synbad could coach this team to a flag'

then you shouldnt have an issue with Malthouse coaching us

because face it - as you imply - anyone could take us to a flag

any discussion on the coach is therefore irrelevant

*nothing against synbad here..

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:51 pm 
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I was sick of the injuries excuse last year, and I'm still sick of it now.

Injuries didn't cause the pathetic performances against Port and Gold Coast last year, and they sure as shit didn't cause constant deplorable kicking for goal, squibbing at contests, poor defensive structures or consistent slow starts from flat-footed players waiting for someone to do something.

Injuries certainly didn't help our season, but we're kidding ourselves if we think that's all there is to it. These players don't yet have the professionalism or ruthlessness to be a top team, whether that's their own fault or the coach's we can only speculate. But in my own humble opinion, a coach that started every sentence with "probably" or used stats alone as a measure of performance, couldn't have helped.

(Incidentally, I always saw our constant injury worries for years being a sign of poor player-management)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:00 pm 
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Well ... lets all get behind Tricky Micky. :razz: :razz:

Lets hope it doesn't take him another 10 years.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:17 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I was sick of the injuries excuse last year, and I'm still sick of it now.

Injuries didn't cause the pathetic performances against Port and Gold Coast last year, and they sure as shit didn't cause constant deplorable kicking for goal, squibbing at contests, poor defensive structures or consistent slow starts from flat-footed players waiting for someone to do something.

Injuries certainly didn't help our season, but we're kidding ourselves if we think that's all there is to it. These players don't yet have the professionalism or ruthlessness to be a top team, whether that's their own fault or the coach's we can only speculate. But in my own humble opinion, a coach that started every sentence with "probably" or used stats alone as a measure of performance, couldn't have helped.

(Incidentally, I always saw our constant injury worries for years being a sign of poor player-management)


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:34 pm 
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I would dearly love us to be premiers in 2013. I just don't see it with the team at the moment (which was built by Ratten, but is currently undergoing renovations by Malthouse....what we do not know yet is if those renovations are minor or major)....


I think we'll have to call the plumber in early sue (major leakage), but once that's repaired it should be good to go. I don't expect the reno's to be completed until May...after that we should be comfortable with the new plans and the finish on the exterior will look superb. I'd suggest we'll do some cleaning out next summer and perhaps even look at going to market and buying something bigger.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:02 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I was sick of the injuries excuse last year, and I'm still sick of it now.

Injuries didn't cause the pathetic performances against Port and Gold Coast last year, and they sure as shit didn't cause constant deplorable kicking for goal, squibbing at contests, poor defensive structures or consistent slow starts from flat-footed players waiting for someone to do something.

Injuries certainly didn't help our season, but we're kidding ourselves if we think that's all there is to it. These players don't yet have the professionalism or ruthlessness to be a top team, whether that's their own fault or the coach's we can only speculate. But in my own humble opinion, a coach that started every sentence with "probably" or used stats alone as a measure of performance, couldn't have helped.

(Incidentally, I always saw our constant injury worries for years being a sign of poor player-management)


Where do you think we would have finished last year had we had even an "average" run with injuries (bearing in mind that we were 5-1 at one point)?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:43 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Hmmmm ...

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Everyone knew Ratten couldn't coach : Oh really

Under Ratten we made steady progress ... except for a year where we were completely destroyed by injuries ... .


We got beaten by Gold Coast who had 9 of their best team out. If that's what you call "steady progress", I'd hate to see what "going backwards at an alarming rate" would look like, for example!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:08 am 
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You will always make progress from the depths of the ocean.
The problem is there was never a hint of a professional edge to this team.
We couldn't strings wins together.
We never won any huge games in the context of the season.
We lost to lowly teams that had no right beating us'
We developed no leadership or winning mentality.
The guy bored the players with the group that counted wanting him out.
He lacked imagination he did not inspire belief and certainly didn't conjure up the old Carlton swagger.
He involved himself in the drafting.

It staggers me how he was allowed to coach this club for as long as he was.

Mick will bring in an edge that's harder into a team that has existed in a bubble of feathers.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:52 am 
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Blues2005 wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I was sick of the injuries excuse last year, and I'm still sick of it now.

Injuries didn't cause the pathetic performances against Port and Gold Coast last year, and they sure as shit didn't cause constant deplorable kicking for goal, squibbing at contests, poor defensive structures or consistent slow starts from flat-footed players waiting for someone to do something.

Injuries certainly didn't help our season, but we're kidding ourselves if we think that's all there is to it. These players don't yet have the professionalism or ruthlessness to be a top team, whether that's their own fault or the coach's we can only speculate. But in my own humble opinion, a coach that started every sentence with "probably" or used stats alone as a measure of performance, couldn't have helped.

(Incidentally, I always saw our constant injury worries for years being a sign of poor player-management)


Where do you think we would have finished last year had we had even an "average" run with injuries (bearing in mind that we were 5-1 at one point)?

We would've made the 8, but that's it. Our players gave up when things got too tough, which tells me the same would've happened in September.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:09 pm 
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Contrast that to 2011 in which, when the going got tough, Carlton got going. Especially that WCE final.

So what changed between 2011 and 2012 except for injuries? Was it a case of IDGAF attitudes? Out with the coach? Gibbs was on his menstrual cycle? You couldn't question the effort in 2011, so with almost the same list and same coach... what happened?

One thing's for sure... Malthouse won't put up with male menstrual cycles, period!


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:31 pm 
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Just focus on Kernahan now people - you've already got Ratten done & dusted........


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:50 pm 
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Just focus on Kernahan now people - you've already got Ratten done & dusted........

OK, you're finally starting to make sense now, SB.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:56 pm 
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teknodeejay wrote:
Contrast that to 2011 in which, when the going got tough, Carlton got going. Especially that WCE final.

So what changed between 2011 and 2012 except for injuries? Was it a case of IDGAF attitudes? Out with the coach? Gibbs was on his menstrual cycle? You couldn't question the effort in 2011, so with almost the same list and same coach... what happened?

One thing's for sure... Malthouse won't put up with male menstrual cycles, period!


Um... perhaps some teams improved at a better rate than us, things like that do happen. People seem to think we live in a bubble and the only team we have to compete against is our past selves. I also think you are adding extra sugar to the Blues in 2011. Even if we were going upwards in that year, it does not mean that the sky was the limit. Last year we were being found out, it's now up to us to prove we have another trick in us.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:05 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Just focus on Kernahan now people - you've already got Ratten done & dusted........

nah he done and dusted himself....

as i said to big wave... not even port took him..

big wave says nah he knocked it back... cos he wanted to be an assistant with hawthorn and not a senior coach.....

now thats logic for u..... :thumbsup:

Sticks??... now if sticks could be a prez at another club... im sure he would be completely without a spot...
There is no way in hell... sticks could have got a presidents role at any other AFL club.....

Hopefully Glenelg beckons after this year... ad he gets himself far away from meddling around this club

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:03 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Blues2005 wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I was sick of the injuries excuse last year, and I'm still sick of it now.

Injuries didn't cause the pathetic performances against Port and Gold Coast last year, and they sure as shit didn't cause constant deplorable kicking for goal, squibbing at contests, poor defensive structures or consistent slow starts from flat-footed players waiting for someone to do something.

Injuries certainly didn't help our season, but we're kidding ourselves if we think that's all there is to it. These players don't yet have the professionalism or ruthlessness to be a top team, whether that's their own fault or the coach's we can only speculate. But in my own humble opinion, a coach that started every sentence with "probably" or used stats alone as a measure of performance, couldn't have helped.

(Incidentally, I always saw our constant injury worries for years being a sign of poor player-management)


Where do you think we would have finished last year had we had even an "average" run with injuries (bearing in mind that we were 5-1 at one point)?

We would've made the 8, but that's it. Our players gave up when things got too tough, which tells me the same would've happened in September.



A Malthouse coached Collingwood finished second last in 2005.
2 years after playing in a grand final. :?
Any idea what happened there?
I wonder if they gave up when things got tough then. I wonder if there were any "male menstrual cycles" tolerated.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:10 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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Just focus on Kernahan now people - you've already got Ratten done & dusted........

nah he done and dusted himself....

as i said to big wave... not even port took him..

big wave says nah he knocked it back... cos he wanted to be an assistant with hawthorn and not a senior coach.....

now thats logic for u..... :thumbsup:

Sticks??... now if sticks could be a prez at another club... im sure he would be completely without a spot...
There is no way in hell... sticks could have got a presidents role at any other AFL club.....

Hopefully Glenelg beckons after this year... ad he gets himself far away from meddling around this club


That's the TC spirit. :oops:


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:18 pm 
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Flags are only one measure.

Look at the three clubs Malthouse has left, each was a much stronger club as a result of his efforts.

Ratts, as lovely as he is, was never going to establish the hard edge that we need to deliver SUSTAINED success over a long period of time!


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:29 pm 
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Really?
Where did the Bulldogs finish in his final year?

Where was Collingwoods "hard edge" in Malthouses 5th year when they finished second last?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:36 pm 
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We let a 4 goal lead slip in that final against West Coast. We choked.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:17 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Really?
Where did the Bulldogs finish in his final year?

Where was Collingwoods "hard edge" in Malthouses 5th year when they finished second last?


Hah, Blue Vain, perspective is a wonderful thing.

Where where the 3 clubs placed in the years before he joined? What was their success rate like? How would you have rated the culture prior to him joining?

Look a little deeper and you' ll find the choice of MM offers a track record of performance over a sustained period of time.

What I do know, is that over the last 20 years, regardless of flags won, Collingwood and the West Coast would be acknowledged as two of the more successful clubs. Unlike our blues Blue Vain.

Do your analysis of Malthouse's 5th year at the pies and last at the bulldogs. I'm interested in the trend and the journey.

Carlton football club will benefit from a kick in the backside. I reckon he is far better placed than our very own Ratts


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