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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:44 pm 
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Going to the Tribunal could work in Judd's favour. It is set up more like a court of law, so the precedent set by the AFL in 2009 with the Daniel Jackson/Brent Harvey incident will almost certainly be used.

Jackson was cleared.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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Let the crucifiction begin

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:45 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
It seems this vitriol over Judd, is repressed anger over past incidents as well.


uh.oh...straight to tribunal. Where Weasel shoulda gone too. :-(
There's a perception amongst opposition supporters that Judd is a protected species and has got away with a few unsavoury incidents over the years. Also the nature of the incidents he's been involved in doesn't help. The perception of him would be quite different if he'd knocked a few blokes out with head high bumps instead of practising jiu jitsu and "pressure points". Bumps are considered within the game and rarely tarnish a player's reputation no matter how damaging or intentional.

Deserves a holiday IMO but I think if it was Collins or Curnow or some other fringe player who had twisted the arm instead it would be a minor talking point in the media and quickly forgotten. A lot of the attention is due to who did it rather than what they did.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:47 pm 
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Hit The Boundary wrote:
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Jammo all clear!!


pretty lucky that his attempt was on par with his performance on friday ... good effort but poor execution. :smile:

i did hear Robbo on SEN say he drove both knees in and hit him in the head ...now that did make me laugh!!!! but i suppose anything we do right now has a hysteria factor applied to it.

Robbo's a flog - went ballistic on crunchtime re Jamo - never heard much of a peep from him the many times Fletcher did the same thing - he'll go nuts tonight on 360


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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Jammo lucky, wouldn't have been surprised to see a week or two for that.

Judd will get weeks on hysteria factor alone, but I think a fine would be more appropriate given that that was Hunt's sanction for standing on Eddie's arm.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:50 pm 
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In response to the girls, (BG72 & Missnaut) ...

I too was disgusted with Wellingdogs appearance - no argument there.

He may have been prebooked to come on the show ... but it would be a coincidence. I think it more likely that the Filth took the opportunity to get him out there and get some sympathy.

I think you're right about the "sorry". IIRC he wasn't really sorry - sloppy writing on my part. :smile: He did express regret that Simpson was hurt.
They played down the intentional nature of the incident very well - it was all just an accident. Reckless, not intentional.

That's what we should've done. One of you actually wrote that you were looking forward to hearing what Judd has to say. You shouldn't be waiting. Whilst you are, public opinion is being allowed to build and this is not helping us. The lynch mob is gathering.

What we should've done is head this off. Work out what the best outcome we think we could get is and then push for it. Admit the irrefutable and play down everything else. With Wellingdog they knew that they were gone on force and head-high etc so they focussed on intent. How much influence their PR had we can never really know, but three weeks for what he did is an astonishing result.

I don't like it anymore than you girls, but it seems like this is the way of the world these days, (the AFL world anyway).


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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I don't like it anymore than you girls, but it seems like this is the way of the world these days, (the AFL world anyway).


They're girls??????????????


:razz: :razz: :razz:

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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LOL, can you imagine if Judd had done to Adams what Wellingham did to Simpson?

He would need to go into witness protection.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:59 pm 
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I think the Judd incident is ugly and he will/should serve some time.

What irks me though is the North "medical" team, and this line from the AFL website:

"Although McDonald refused to comment on what North's medical report would reveal about Judd's role in Adams' injury, AFL.com.au understands the report will reveal Adams' shoulder was dislocated in the incident."

How a report could suggest this is absolutely mind boggling. Also the credibility of the medical team comes into question. Who sends a guy back out who has just had his shoulder dislocated? Players welfare my ass.

This is the biggest witch hunt of the year.

I do believe he should be suspended though, but maybe 1 or 2 weeks.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:00 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
LOL, can you imagine if Judd had done to Adams what Wellingham did to Simpson?

He would need to go into witness protection.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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Of course North want him gone, they are still fighting for us for a spot in the 8

I hope this nothing club folds!


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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bluegirl72 wrote:
missnaut wrote:
LOL, can you imagine if Judd had done to Adams what Wellingham did to Simpson?

He would need to go into witness protection.


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Chris, Becs, and baby Oscar.


:lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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cimm1979 wrote:
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I don't like it anymore than you girls, but it seems like this is the way of the world these days, (the AFL world anyway).


They're girls??????????????


:razz: :razz: :razz:



hmph. slam.

and yeah, Big K. I take your point..but, I think righteous indignation after enigmatic silence might be the path Chris is choosing, and, it does suit his style. :smoking: I guess, I really, really want there to be a decent explanation.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:05 pm 
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The problem I have with it all, is the guy is booked in to have a shoulder reco at the end of the season. So his shoulder was stuffed to begin with.

And secondly, in my biased one-eyed opinion the bulk of the damage occurred when bright spark swallow came in and tackle judd to the ground while he still had a hold of his arm.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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If North's medical staff had to pop the shoulder back in after the Judd incident, that would likely explain the report.

The medical report can't show whether Judd intentionally did it or whether it happened when Judd was knocked off his feet when holding the arm.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:13 pm 
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It means they felt it was intentional rather than reckless.
If Judd can mount a good case and raise doubt, he may be a very lucky man.
The same experts on 3AW that hung Judd also said that Zeibell was going for the ball and had no case to answer. ie you can't judge things by how they look. "Ooh that looks bad" "Tha looks OK', our tribunal system requires a forensic analysis of the event, not a knee jerk response which is what every media person does.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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Andrew McKay should represent Judd. He must have some dirt on the other tribunal panelists. Time to get nasty. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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And Ziebell got 3 weeks for his bump on Joseph after the media was saying nothing in it.

just shows how much of a witch hunt by the media to get judd suspended

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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And Ziebell got 3 weeks for his bump on Joseph after the media was saying nothing in it.



Not sure which of the 3 umpire/peanuts (hopefully it was Troy Panel :roll: ) were the adjudicating umpire during that incident - but you would expect that they would also be getting a few weeks for some re-education in the VFL at least for not paying a free kick for that incident.

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It was umpire Schmitt (with a silent M)

An indictment on the pathetic amateur hacks 'officiating'

It seems they recruit the best middle distance runners not the best decision makers.

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