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Goltzenberg
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:11 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
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Yeah, that is the answer.

New coach. Best knee jerk reaction by the talking carlton brainstrust.

Ok Carlton have lost 3 games this season.

Loss #1 - Essendon*.
Essendon* at the time looked like pretenders, but they are surely contenders this year. They have only lost one game this season by 1 pt to collingwood. 3rd on the ladder at the moment

Loss #2 - St Kilda
Up until yesterday week they were in the top 8, now sitting 9th. They are a respectable team. They came out and smashed us and tagged murphy out of the game and no one else stood up. They really smashed our midfield.

Loss #3 - Adelaide
Currently sitting 2nd on the ladder. Smashed Geelong last week and smashed Carlton yesterday. Adelaide put immense pressure on Carlton and made Carlton look bad, by forcing Carlton to make mistakes. Carlton were suffocated and never recovered.

So in summary, we have 3 losses, 2losses to the two best teams in the league at present and 1 loss to a team that was in the 8 last week.

So based on that, we should throw out the coach and start a new gameplan next season. Makes sense doesn't it. :banghead:

Carlton need a key forward to be alongside Waite. Until we do that, we won't have a complete spine.


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If that rationale makes you sleep easier at night......
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ryan2000
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Whilst right now I can only say i'm 50/50 on Ratts........... I do like this comment from him...........

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"I'm not altogether sure the replacements are necessarily ready, but I do know that if we put five, six, seven or eight games into them they will be ready, as opposed to those we've had to carry for a while."


I mentioned after Saturday's VFL game that Bootsma & Buckly aren't ready for AFL Standard and need some time to grow (in terms of build and experience), but giving them games against smaller and weaker sides such as Melbourne and Port (no offense guys) might actually give them far more valuable experience than playing another VFL game.

If we were playing against say Collingwood or Hawthorn i'd probably suggest keeping them out. But Bootsma especially should be given a run this week.



The other thing I wanted to bring up is David Teague. Let's look to get him back in the coaching box.
He took the Bullants to two VFL grand finals and since moving to West Coast 2 years ago, has played a large part in turning their form around.
Maybe not as a replacement to Ratts, but certainly would be better in the coaches box than a couple of spuds that are in there now.

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I wonder if anything has changed in Ratten's personal life in the past 3 weeks that may not make him 100% on his game.

Oh thats right he has a 3 1/2 week old baby.

Do any of the dad's here remember how F*%^& tired you are for the first few months of a new baby. Even if you have been there before it is still nights of broken sleep, crying, feeding, nappies, lots of family around, change of routine, change of priorities. I was in a haze for the first 12 weeks of each of my 3 children whilst you get used to the lifestyle change.

Even Juddy went off his game when young Oscar showed up at the end of last season.
Carazzos kids were born in the off season but he still sleeps in a hotel the night before a game.

If Ratts is 5% - 10% less switched on it would filter down through the whole week, through strategy meetings, training, and all decisions that he makes during the week as well as gameday.

I think that no matter how professional you are a new baby does shift your focus and energy and it is just one more thing that he has to juggle with.

Lets cut him some slack and I am sure that once he physically gets used to his own routine he will get his mojo back.

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darkn that would be fine if the last 3 weeks were an aberration...

but are they?

I think how you answer that question will see how you are feeling about Ratts and the last 3 (or so) weeks.

Personally I do not see it as an aberration. I see it as more of the same. I believe we have a soft underbelly and for 3 or 4 years now it gets exposed far too often when teams decide to really pressure us.

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darknavy wrote:
I wonder if anything has changed in Ratten's personal life in the past 3 weeks that may not make him 100% on his game.

Oh thats right he has a 3 1/2 week old baby.

Do any of the dad's here remember how F*%^& tired you are for the first few months of a new baby. Even if you have been there before it is still nights of broken sleep, crying, feeding, nappies, lots of family around, change of routine, change of priorities. I was in a haze for the first 12 weeks of each of my 3 children whilst you get used to the lifestyle change.

Even Juddy went off his game when young Oscar showed up at the end of last season.
Carazzos kids were born in the off season but he still sleeps in a hotel the night before a game.

If Ratts is 5% - 10% less switched on it would filter down through the whole week, through strategy meetings, training, and all decisions that he makes during the week as well as gameday.

I think that no matter how professional you are a new baby does shift your focus and energy and it is just one more thing that he has to juggle with.

Lets cut him some slack and I am sure that once he physically gets used to his own routine he will get his mojo back.



Yes you could understand that to a certain extent but

He is not out there playing so the physical tiredness is not there and he has a coaching team around him who should pick up the slack

also it is not his first child and by now he should know how to pretend to be a sleep so the wife gets up out of bed and he rolls over and goes back to sleep

Besides Malthouse says that when you are coaching you sleep like a baby any way

He said you wake up every 2 hrs crying

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Get flavour of the month assistant coach from succesful team A now. If we get flavour of the month assistant coach from succesful team B now I'll kill myself.

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Synbad
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let's wait for the rats mojo!

been waiting five years what's the big deal?

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JK
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I got mountains of crap from some of you on here for suggesting all those years ago that both the process to appoint Ratten and the eventual appointment of Ratten was highly questionable.

The problem is this appointment is stunting our development to progress as a club. It must be rectified immediately.
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I got mountains of crap from some of you on here for suggesting all those years ago that both the process to appoint Ratten and the eventual appointment of Ratten was highly questionable.

The problem is this appointment is stunting our development to progress as a club. It must be rectified immediately.


You also tried to seriously spook the site after we moved on Lappin and Mongomery by saying that no new assistants want to work with Ratts when all along Richardson and Brown were on their way. Made what you were saying a little hard to believe so you can't blame people for the mountains of crap you got. I am sure you would have done the same if it were someone else laying on the fear campaign that thick.
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Ratten alone is not to blame. These days you cannot just blame one man. We have 13 coaches - I think - and they all have a job to do including 2 of our midfield specialists, forward specialist and ruck, etc. They all concentrate on their specific areas and then work together to produce the final result. Just like a management team would run individual area's and departments, coaches are the same. At the end of the day however Ratten is the man and he will take the glory and the failure but don't just blame him.
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Synbad
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Ratten alone is not to blame. These days you cannot just blame one man. We have 13 coaches - I think - and they all have a job to do including 2 of our midfield specialists, forward specialist and ruck, etc. They all concentrate on their specific areas and then work together to produce the final result. Just like a management team would run individual area's and departments, coaches are the same. At the end of the day however Ratten is the man and he will take the glory and the failure but don't just blame him.

Yeah blame Ratts AND Sticks.

Sticks ofcourse is the head honcho at the club and everybody else is responsible to the board including the CEO and te board is managed and chaired by Sticks.


Ratten for being a very vanilla coach

and Sticks cos hes Sticks and everything he does away from playing footy... is a balls up.....
Couldnt even get the Pagan coup attempt right...

and bringing O'Reilly tto the club.... enough said.

The perpetual common denominator for mediocrity the ominpresent calamity Sticks

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JK wrote:
I got mountains of crap from some of you on here for suggesting all those years ago that both the process to appoint Ratten and the eventual appointment of Ratten was highly questionable.

The problem is this appointment is stunting our development to progress as a club. It must be rectified immediately.


You weren't alone in your criticism Jk. There were plenty of posters who were critical of the process but once the decision is made, we move on and give Ratten his opportunities.
This is his first major test as a strategist and as much as he has disappointed of recent, he still has time to come up with the goods.
If we get to through the next 6 weeks without a significant improvement in our strategies, then I'd be looking for decisions to be made. It wont be about wins and losses but how we approach our oppositions tactics.
Coaching is easy when everything is in your favour. How you perform with injuries and adverse strategies demonstrates your true abilities.
Ratten should welcome the opportunity to show he has the capabilities.

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Blue Vain wrote:
You weren't alone in your criticism Jk. There were plenty of posters who were critical of the process but once the decision is made, we move on and give Ratten his opportunities.
This is his first major test as a strategist and as much as he has disappointed of recent, he still has time to come up with the goods.
If we get to through the next 6 weeks without a significant improvement in our strategies, then I'd be looking for decisions to be made. It wont be about wins and losses but how we approach our oppositions tactics.
Coaching is easy when everything is in your favour. How you perform with injuries and adverse strategies demonstrates your true abilities.
Ratten should welcome the opportunity to show he has the capabilities.


The next six weeks Melbourne and Port Adelaide then Geelong, WCE, Hawthorn and Collingwood.
The first two games wins will just mean status quo, the following 4 games will determine his future.
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Blue Vain wrote:
This is his first major test as a strategist and as much as he has disappointed of recent, he still has time to come up with the goods.


Albeit without his two best midfielders this season in Murphy and Carrazzo. Tough ask.
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woof wrote:
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You weren't alone in your criticism Jk. There were plenty of posters who were critical of the process but once the decision is made, we move on and give Ratten his opportunities.
This is his first major test as a strategist and as much as he has disappointed of recent, he still has time to come up with the goods.
If we get to through the next 6 weeks without a significant improvement in our strategies, then I'd be looking for decisions to be made. It wont be about wins and losses but how we approach our oppositions tactics.
Coaching is easy when everything is in your favour. How you perform with injuries and adverse strategies demonstrates your true abilities.
Ratten should welcome the opportunity to show he has the capabilities.


The next six weeks Melbourne and Port Adelaide then Geelong, WCE, Hawthorn and Collingwood.
The first two games wins will just mean status quo, the following 4 games will determine his future.

In my opinion.
It will be too late in 6 weeks.
Hes had 5 weeks to get this right.
There is not a snowflakes chance in hell he will turn this around by a flick of a switch.
We should have had worked out whats going on with our structures by now.
We havent !

Instead whats happened is players have lost confidence.. hes pointed fingers at individuals... hinted kids will be played even if not ready.... and just generally stunk it up!
There are even more questions on him now than before.

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Synbad wrote:
woof wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
You weren't alone in your criticism Jk. There were plenty of posters who were critical of the process but once the decision is made, we move on and give Ratten his opportunities.
This is his first major test as a strategist and as much as he has disappointed of recent, he still has time to come up with the goods.
If we get to through the next 6 weeks without a significant improvement in our strategies, then I'd be looking for decisions to be made. It wont be about wins and losses but how we approach our oppositions tactics.
Coaching is easy when everything is in your favour. How you perform with injuries and adverse strategies demonstrates your true abilities.
Ratten should welcome the opportunity to show he has the capabilities.


The next six weeks Melbourne and Port Adelaide then Geelong, WCE, Hawthorn and Collingwood.
The first two games wins will just mean status quo, the following 4 games will determine his future.

In my opinion.
It will be too late in 6 weeks.
Hes had 5 weeks to get this right.
There is not a snowflakes chance in hell he will turn this around by a flick of a switch.
We should have had worked out whats going on with our structures by now.
We havent !

Instead whats happened is players have lost confidence.. hes pointed fingers at individuals... hinted kids will be played even if not ready.... and just generally stunk it up!
There are even more questions on him now than before.


I don't diasgree with you Synbad but I think this is what will happen.
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woof
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DocSherrin wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
This is his first major test as a strategist and as much as he has disappointed of recent, he still has time to come up with the goods.


Albeit without his two best midfielders this season in Murphy and Carrazzo. Tough ask.


Clarkson had much worse to deal with at Hawthorn last year, he was a kick away from a grand final.
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woof wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
This is his first major test as a strategist and as much as he has disappointed of recent, he still has time to come up with the goods.


Albeit without his two best midfielders this season in Murphy and Carrazzo. Tough ask.


Clarkson had much worse to deal with at Hawthorn last year, he was a kick away from a grand final.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

why ruin a good yarn????

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So over 10 pages...the defeatists have managed to suggest the following names. The thread was called 'Shortlist of Coaching Candidates' afterall...

Mick Malthouse - the most likely given his relationship with Greg Swann. But a Richmond/Collingwood man in charge? No thanks. Besides - pretty sure he's retired.

Paul Roos - That should read Tami Roos because she calls the shots. Two teenage boys and a sweet deal with Sydney/Fox precludes this.

Nathan Bassett - Good reports but untried.

Ken Hinkley - untried. And why'd he miss out on three senior coaching AFL jobs already? Brian Royal MkII?

Stephen Silvagni - Not coming back to Carlton. I thought we addressed this already? Besides - is he head coach material? Even SOS knows the money without the stress is in List Management. Roles at GWS are his for as long as he wants.

...and there you have it. 5 potential coaches in 10 pages. None had a compelling reason for any. Just a vendetta against the current bloke.
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