problem is he is often unfit.

And I would dispute that. For his height, and the advantages in marking contests which it affords, he's actually a pretty average mark. At his best he wins lots of ground ball, and links up in general play, but he's never taken a lot of marks.

Would anyone object to trading him for a pick in the top 5 at seasons end? I certainly wouldn't.

Of course not. I would have taken pick 10 last year.

I'd be very much against trading Kruz. No guarantee Warnock will stay on the park and don't think we can rely on Hammer. I do agree we probably need to offload at least one of them. Prefer it not be Kruz. I think offers a superior package overall than the other two. Only my opinion though doesn't mean I'm right.

Why? They are all under contract and they can all play and rotate as needed. Why do we need to trade, just because we have 3 ruckman on our list? The only reason I would trade is if we got something we could not turn our back's on and we all know that is not going to happen with our trade history!!!!!

I probably didn't elaborate properly Surrey. What I should have said is offload one if the trade is in our favour and not trade one for the sake of it. I actually agree with you.

Trade one to get a decent pick that can be used on needs.

Good Midfielders are our need right now, not ruck man.

yep, because we would probably @#$%&! up the pick

need to trade for a known quantity

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

now that is funny.

i have said for a long time kruezer is very overated, in fact i cant believe jack watts gets all the crap from the media and kruezer gets left alone. he is a bullocking handy ruckmen , so is will minson and so is hudson and besides all that he averages about 3 marks a game over his career, Mcevoy is at about 5

..posted this in the other thread but it works for here too, and am feelin' lazy..

..sure, he re-injured himself early this year.. ..but first games in he was super fit, it was always going to take him a while to recover from that ACL, and playing him for the majority of last season with a torn meniscus wasn't exactly smart player management either.. ..but, up until he did his acl in his 3rd season, he missed only a few games.. ..great effort for a ruck recruit, even at pick 1.. ..a break down..

2008 - after missing the first few games of the season in recovery from op., he played the full season, earned wide respect and admiration for his game.. ..won us that port game off his boot in the last Q, away in the wet..

2009 - played the majority of the season, again won us a comeback victory with his 2nd 3 goal effort vs port away.. ..was carrying 1st ruck, and led the rucks in the final vs lions.. ..set the scene for our early domination in that final with that awesome tap and follow-up goal out of the center square.. ..can still remember the look of amazement on the face of simon black..

2010 - young kid is starting to show signs of tiring, but is still played with a heavy ruckload which he shoulders.. ..running back to help out defence, does his knee in an awkward landing from a spoil.. ..out for the year

2011 - comes back midyear, in his 1st game back shows good signs vs lions, 2nd game back single-handedly tears swans apart.. ..in the thumpings of tigers and bummers, again has very good games.. ..looking good before the mystery foot ailment, misses last couple of games of season

2012 - hands out a football lesson to Jolly, twice.. ..3 charlie votes for BoG in round 1, continues tigers pain in rematch with a 45 hitout performance to go with his all-round game style, when he was struggling with the injury which he carried for most of the season.. ..is big part of the belting we gave the bummers in that season rematch with his silver-platter serving of the ball at the stoppages to judd and murphy.. .... ..plays out the year, even though for most of it he's getting fluid drained from his knee on a regular basis..

2013 - again a very good all round game vs the tigers rnd 1, is all over Jolly early in the pies match, before cruncking him and keeping Jolly out of the side for 3 weeks [also fractured pears? leg in a bombers match the year or two previously] [krooz will legally crunch and hurt the opposition] ..running to help out the defence, he again hurts himself when landing awkwardly from a spoiling attempt..

..early in his 6th season he's almost played a 100 games, a huge effort for a young ruck that's suffered a very bad ACL.. .... ..and make no mistake about what he brings to the contest, on field..

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..Krooz won't ever have the same marking numbers as Rucks such as McEvoy, because Krooz follows the ball while others drop back to sag off and be the 'loosey' across halfback..

..just as a comparison for their best games of 2013 to date..

Krooz - 18 disps (13 kicks 5 hballs), 6 marks, 4 tackles, 20 hitouts and 2 goals vs Tigers rnd 1

McEvoy - 20 disps (8 kicks 12 hballs), 10 marks, 8 tackles and 18 hitouts vs Blues rnd 7

..the idea that Krooz is off the boil, and other rucks are streets ahead is flawed.. ..Krooz would have run McEvoy ragged, no way would he have been able to slack off and get loose in our defense if he was playing all game vs a fit Krooz.. .... ..and for all this talk about Knockers being a mile in front for our first Ruck, the supremely talented AA star McEvoy had his best game of the year vs Knockers..

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..don't know why, but the comparison to McEvoy irks me fer some reason, even though as comparisons they're quite similar, same height and weight, very close same age.. ..over their careers they avg out to the same, pick1 vs pick9 of the same draft.. ..so two best rucks of 2007, both top ten.. ..krooz has still played more games, including missing a season with the knee, and the subsequent time after recovery to find consistent good form again.. ..all players that have done an acl same it takes a yr to yr and a half to get back to best footy after returning from the knee.. .... ..the development setback that Krooz has suffered, and worked hard to overcome, gets under-appreciated far too much on here..

..but looking a bit deeper and you can see the differences in stat breakdowns.. ..McEvoy plays the more old fashioned ruck role, where he drops back behind play to mop up bombs fwd.. ..higher marks and handballs, as he dishes off to running halfbacks.. ..less goals, behinds, marks I50, assists cos he's spending a lot of time behind the play.. ..Krooz on the other hand, stays involved in the play all across the park.. ..when krooz plays 1st ruck for us, the opposition may have a loosey that moips up the bombs fwd, but its rarely the opposing ruckman cos they have to follow krooz after the ball.. ..he stays involved in the contest..

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