Sack Rome !

Alaric I, ruler of the Visigoths, August 24, AD 410

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I'm not convinced the numbers and statistics are evidence to save Ratten. He took over a very young list with plenty of development and improvement to happen down the track. It's now more than two years on, and, inevitably players such as Bower, Jamison, Murphy, Gibbs, Russell, Setanta, and so on have all drastically improved. If we're winning more games and having more stats work in our favour, it may be because of the inevitable development and maturing of a lot of our players, which was always going to happen. Not suggesting that is entirely the case, but it's worth considering. Add to the widespread improvement one of the best players in the competition joining our club in Judd, a player who gets the team up and about and works extremely hard, and games start to go our way and stats work in our favour.

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"GIBBS."

"Sakc Ratten"
Like the neam of this thread, you've got it a$$ about

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It's perfectly normal for passionate supporters to question the coach when levels of expected success are not forthcoming but lets put things into perspective:

- would the 22 out there on Saturday night be good enough to win against the Cats/Saints/Hawks etc if coached by someone else?
- have we not improved since Ratts has come on board?
- were we not expecting a slight drop off in performance with Fev departing?
- were we not going to struggle without Judd for the first 3 rounds?
- even if we were to go down that path, who is even available?

Our performance against Essendon* (and partly against Brisbane also) was just not good enough. Ratts wasnt responsible for the terrible disposal, constant turnovers and lack of general enthusiasm. Like it or not the stats show that our perfomances have improved since Ratts became coach. 1 win -2 losses is not where we want to be but preseason there were many suggesting that we would be in this position (due to our horror fixture at the start of the year) so why are we now so surprised? Losing Fev and not having Judd for 3 weeks was always going to hurt us dramatically. Like it or not Fev is gone so we are now working with a new forward line which is going to take time. Its only round 3!!

And I cant stress this enough - even if we do go down the path of replacing Ratts who is even worth targetting? People suggest Paul Roos - he has categorically stated he has no intention of coaching next season. Matthews - with a nice job at channel 7 why would he even be interested in coming out of retirement? Malthouse - contracted for another 4 years all up at Collingwood...

We are not Richmond. Yes we demand 100% effort from our boys which we didnt get on Saturday night, but that doesnt mean that we just go and replace the coach. We replaced Pagan 3 years ago and now we want to go again!! Dont see the good in it. I honestly dont think we are good enough at present. Our mids can potentially match it with the best but our forwardline lacks 1 or 2 match winners and our backline needs further support.

Lets at the very least wait until seasons end before we start looking at our coach.

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that's right .... stuff up a perfectly good arguement with the facts

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Saints didn't beat Collingwood. Collingwood lost a very winnable match. Big difference.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

How so?

You really are a sad sack if you think we aren't capable of matching our next 6 opponents.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Well put. My thoughts exactly.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

while I understnad its not entirely his fault, you can't say Ratts should not be blamed at all for the skill errors and constant turnovers. He and the recruiting staff are the ones who have constantly recruited players with poor skills over the past few years...
Ratts job when first appointed was to once again make us competitive again and bring the team back up to AFL standard. He has done this. However, I dont think he has the tactical nouse to take us to the next step. Like a lot of our players, he still makes the same mistakes he made back in 2007-2008.

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James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

don't you mean sad sakc?

I believe the Vandals under Gaiseric had first dibs, but there wasn't a draft back then.

Hopefully Ratts can do Heraclius rather than an Honorius. Alaric didn't have much to beat in Honorius. [Actually, it hadn't hit me until now, but the Western Empire is a lot like Richmond: murder in high places, internal dissension and incompetent figureheads for leaders. Pity my spelling is so ordinary.]

should read my book ... the decline and fall of the Richmond empire

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Bad kicking is bad football.

And let's face it Pies only get up for big games.

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And I thought my spelling was ordinary!

Actually, if we go 1 - 8, then Ratts will start looking like the Angeli, the least successful 'House' of Roman emperors. The Angeli got carved up by the 4th Crusade, but I can't see an analogue ready to depose Ratts midseason. I think that would be an error anyway. Better to change coaches at season's end if there has to be change.

on that basis Beowulf, Marcus Aurelius will be our next coach

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Excellent points made there.
It was a real pity 3 years ago that we didn't go through the correct recruiting process to select the best coach - probably paying the price for that at the moment

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

In soccer an AFL coach is referred to as MANAGER

A manager in the workplace manages all resources available.

A good manager will make the most of all resources available and is uber-competetive in the market place. Keeping human resource at optimal capacity with good attitude and optimal motivation.

A poor manager in the workplace always gets caught out.

Unfortunately Ratts was caught out and needs to put in a big bloody effort to get the most out of his resources.

No excuses.

Actually, Essendon* did make the finals.

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#DopeThenStash

I believe the main problem is the lack of leadership out on the ground when Juddy is missing. There is no one to inspire the team and lead by example. I recall in the final we played last year against the Lions at the Gabba our three most influential players that night were Fevola, Judd and Stevens. They have not been part of our team in the first three rounds.

I agree that the jury is still out on Ratts but this list is still a work in progress.

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