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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:29 pm 
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We should just forfeit this week, we're no chance. Maybe even considering folding. Then run for cover, we only made one change, the sky is falling.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:30 pm 
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Our weakest side for the year, Richmond must be lying awake at night trying to get matchups for Fisher, Bentley, Armfield and Johnson.
No chance in this game now.


Given that Richmond are most likely tanking I can't see how we could possibly lose this game. Should be Ratts' easiest gig yet...he could probably doze off in the box and we'll get over the line.... :lol:



I don't know about that J&K... I reckon Richmond will be very fired up for this game. If Rawlings has half a clue he will point to the fact that we went a long way to ruining their season. I reckon they could happily lose every other game this year if it meant knocking us off on Saturday. I think its a huge danger game. we've gone in plenty of times with the attitude of we just need to turn up for the points and we have got done every time. Hope Saturday is not another one of those

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:32 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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But I must admit it is baffling as to why Bentley is in the team given that in both games he has played there didnt seem to be any distinct role for him. Maybe 3rd time lucky... :cool:


I think the MC rate him as genuinely committed, which should be a non-negotiable we'd all agree with I presume.


Definitely agree. But I'll give an example of what I mean. Anderson has justified selection on form and I can see a definite role for him. That is to provide run off HB. Nobody can question his committment.

Another example is Ellard who has also justified selection (but I'm unsure if he is eligible) and who I can see a clear role for up forward providing defensive pressure and crumbing options to help release Betts up the ground for stages during the match.

Bentley is committed...nice....but what is his role? What does he bring to the team? Nothing personal here... because to me he lacks pace...so is his role as a stopper as well??? Surely we have enough in the side at the moment.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:46 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:

Definitely agree. But I'll give an example of what I mean. Anderson has justified selection on form and I can see a definite role for him. That is to provide run off HB. Nobody can question his committment.

Another example is Ellard who has also justified selection (but I'm unsure if he is eligible) and who I can see a clear role for up forward providing defensive pressure and crumbing options to help release Betts up the ground for stages during the match.

Bentley is committed...nice....but what is his role? What does he bring to the team? Nothing personal here... because to me he lacks pace...so is his role as a stopper as well??? Surely we have enough in the side at the moment.


It's hard to know what his role is with so little senior time. I'm not saying he's another Simmo, but what were Simmo's stats like in his first few games? :wink:


...and I'd love to see Joe and Ellard given opportunity ...disappointed they haven't been given time

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:48 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:

Given that Richmond are most likely tanking I can't see how we could possibly lose this game. Should be Ratts' easiest gig yet...he could probably doze off in the box and we'll get over the line.... :lol:



I don't know about that J&K... I reckon Richmond will be very fired up for this game. If Rawlings has half a clue he will point to the fact that we went a long way to ruining their season. I reckon they could happily lose every other game this year if it meant knocking us off on Saturday. I think its a huge danger game. we've gone in plenty of times with the attitude of we just need to turn up for the points and we have got done every time. Hope Saturday is not another one of those


Ah ... but Richmond still has games against Melb, the Roos, Syd (in Melb), Hawthorn (don't tell me that cues not in the rack), and WC.

They may be happy to lose every other match, but they can't be sure they'll be able to cause most of their opposition are trying to lose as well.

Richmond would be stupid to chaulk up their 4th win over us.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:29 pm 
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Looking forward to watching Carlton on Saturday, in what surely must be the worst side they have
EVER out on the park. EVER. :sly:

FFS, show some confidence people. Harts for Austin is a like for like. A good choice. Who else is playing OK
in the Ants, that has the physical attributes like Striker ? No one except Harts. Take the chance and run with it man !!

Glad to see Bentley given another run. Give him a chance to show his worth or lack thereof. Hopefully the former.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:08 am 
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livolover wrote:
carlton at $1.28 is the biggest 'unders' in betting history !


It's the JUDD factor.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:48 am 
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There is NO way we can win this.. Richmond by 40+ points

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:51 am 
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Cannot understand the continued selection of Bentley ... he is too slow ... makes wrong decisions ... and can't kick.

I believe however he is a nice bloke ... so that must be it.

Are we about winning football or about our mates getting a game ... GRRRR

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:18 am 
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Wow people moan a lot on here


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:20 am 
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We haven't played the MCG well this year, lost more than we've won. On the other hand, we've only lost one at Etihad and that was the close Saints loss.

Hope this switches around by September


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:48 am 
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nck wrote:
Wow people moan a lot on here


agreed. . .however its their (who am i kidding im guilty of it too) OUR right to do so. . In the words of peter griffin 'well sir, while i may not agree with what you say i will defend to the death your right to say it'

Bentley is playing. . Cant be changed. . We'll could select strauchanie, steady eddie, stevie wonder and judy dench as our midfielders and still beat this mob. . So what is crying about it going to change/achieve?. . . Look at it as he's getting games under his belt in order for him to IMPROVE as a player, and wish the bloke well. . Have some respect for the club, we're not sh!t hacks anymore, we dont play crap players out of necessity. He must have something going for him that you/we havent seen yet or why else would he have been drafted and then picked up again by a BETTER club than his first one.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:12 am 
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simonverbeek wrote:
Go through the Blueseum and try to find a worse half back line in Carlton's history than:

HB: Bentley Hartlett Johnson



Look, I'd love to but I'm too busy having a life.
Anyone who believes teams will line up as selected is kidding themselves. It's a "selected side" for the newspapers!
For Gods sake, will some of you people get over the constant negativity and whingeing?

Good luck to Harts. I've been a supporter of his since day one and I'd love to see him make it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:48 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
simonverbeek wrote:
Go through the Blueseum and try to find a worse half back line in Carlton's history than:

HB: Bentley Hartlett Johnson



Anyone who believes teams will line up as selected is kidding themselves. It's a "selected side" for the newspapers!


BV, say it another 10,000 times so the penny finally drops for a few around here. :banghead: FFS, Lou and Tom Prior were doing pre game reviews in the HUN the last time a side lined up as selected.

Many have concerns about the "quality" in the side. Sure this is some talent to come back in, but I'll just add that 4 rookies played v Tiges in Rd 1 and a pretty similar squad to this pushed Cats hard in a NAB game (yes, even Bents played). There's enough out there, NO EXCUSES. Only poor attitude/planning will see us drop this.

Oh, and Freo have had it all over us for so long, don't underestimate our effort last week. 10 more scoring shots, plenty went wrong and we got over them. No Pav? No Waite for us. We lost to them on a neutral ground first time around, and beat them @ HOME next time around. Many would argue that we have made progress since that debacle?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:10 am 
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So it's going to be cold & wet at the G on Saturday. Blokes like Bentley would probably enjoy playing in the wet slower conditions. Perhaps that is the reasoning for his staying put.

Struth, once a bloke gets into the sights, its like a bandwagon here. Most people jump on and try and bag a bloke as much as possible. What say instead of throwing him onto the rubbish pile after 2 games, you give him another crack against weaker opposition and try to give him a chance.

If he has a bad game (I thought he did OK against Freo, and I've seen him run around for Port and know he can play), then have a look then, but at least give him a chance. Ando's time will come, and I'm sure he knows that.

Hopefully Harts has a cracker of a game. Take it with both hands man and make us proud.....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:22 am 
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Jordan Russell is apparently over the moon with the Bentley selection - :lol:


Lets not forget Richmond played interstate last week on the Gold Coast - teams have a habit of slipping into holiday mode when they go up there

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:13 am 
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simonverbeek wrote:
I've been going throught the Blueseum - I cannot find a worse halfbackline in my history of watching Carlton.

HB: Bentley Hartlett Johnson

You are kidding me.

Could lose this.


Spot on. This is just plain lazy selecting, going down the "don't change a winning team" path. How the hell Bentley is playing ahead of Scotto is totally beyond me. His selection seems to mirror JR in his early days, and even though that looks like it may now pay dividends, with finals a big chance this year, can we afford to be educating Bentley now at the expense of a class player ??

Harts, fair enough as we just don't have any talls left, and we wanna keep Santy at CHF now. But just say that HB line slowly......."Bentley, Hartlett, Johnson" :yikes:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:20 am 
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BlueRob wrote:
Cannot understand the continued selection of Bentley


"continued selection".....as in consecutive games for the first time ever?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:32 am 
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MIL wrote:
Spot on. This is just plain lazy selecting, going down the "don't change a winning team" path. How the hell Bentley is playing ahead of Scotto is totally beyond me. His selection seems to mirror JR in his early days, and even though that looks like it may now pay dividends, with finals a big chance this year, can we afford to be educating Bentley now at the expense of a class player ??

Harts, fair enough as we just don't have any talls left, and we wanna keep Santy at CHF now. But just say that HB line slowly......."Bentley, Hartlett, Johnson" :yikes:


Before we rubbish it we should get blueman to say whether it could be our next Premiership half back line.

Seriously with Austin back next week isn't this Hartlett's only chance?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:06 pm 
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Cannot understand the continued selection of Bentley


"continued selection".....as in consecutive games for the first time ever?

He got a fair run in the pre-season and his form hasn't improved since.

I've found both of his selections this year to be absolutely staggering. He is not a zone-killer, he is not athletically capable to stand most players in this league, and he is not exceptional at any one thing; he is slightly better than Bentick.

He is not the 'protector' for Judd that everyone keeps banging on about; nor is Bannister, nor is Hadley. Hadley is the only one of the four names I've mentioned who can consistently win inside ball at this level, fitness permitting.

The setup that West Coast had for Judd was a team effort from the taps of Cox to the blocks and screens of Kerr, Cousins, Stenglein, etc. The fact that these guys could be relied upon to win the footy in a variety of situations meant they opened up their stoppages more than we do. We let the opposition close it all down partly because we play dumb football (and that's another debate altogether) and partly because we don't back all of our on-ballers in the contest.

No more Bentley, no more of this 5 or 6 tagger-first, player-second selections. Pick them because they win their own ball or they will develop from being a pure defender into one who can do a bit of both. That's what made Brisbane strong, that's what made our mob in '95 strong, and what makes sides like St Kilda and Geelong so strong above anything else. Win a lot of the traditional 50/50 situations and you're a red hot chance to win a game of footy.

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