Missing the point Mjonc.

Don't get me wrong though i'll be as happy as anyone here if we win with an unchanged team but the team being sent out isn't the best team we can put out on the park.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I understand what you're saying and agree it isn't our best team, but i also feel you need to reward peformances and if they keep winning then we are just setting ourselves up for a massive tilt at the finals as injuries and form tampers off in players.

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Playing devils advocate here - what if we included Grigg and Walker at the expense of say Garlett and Joseph. Grigg and Walker play poorly whilst Garlett and Joseph tear it up for the Bullants.
Do we drop Grigg and Walker the following week and bring Joseph and Garlett back in?
What sort of a mixed message would this send to the players?

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What happens if Garlett, Joseph (mind you it doesn't have to be those players although Garlett for me is an obvious one) have a let down this week and we lose by a couple of goals Whilst Walker kicks another 4 and has 30 plus possessions in the magoos again and Grigg continues on his extremely good form from the preseason.

I'm of the opinion that you ALWAYS have your best team out on the park. Walker and Grigg won't be missing because of form issues and they're so far in the best team when in form its not funny.

Whilst its very noble of the match committee to reward performance it won't be very noble if it doesn't help us win this week. And that's what its about this game, Winning.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I'd prefer to see Grigg and Walker play, but second guessing the same match committee who made the decision to play 4 rookies, who all performed and contributed well, last week is a little silly.

There are a stack of factors involved in making the decision, not least of which is we don't know the final make up of the side and whether there are going to be any late changes.

I think we should let them get a few wrong this season before we start questioning their decisions.

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theres no i in team

walker and grigg may technically be better players than joseph garlett johnson etc

but putting them in doesnt necessarily make the team better

makes the list of players in the team better

but not neccesarily the team better

last week people were given team roles and all fulfilled them obviously

well in the match committees minds anyway

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I personally feel much more confident in the match committeee now that Pagan has no input.

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But there is 5 in "Individual Brilliance"....

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The counter-point to be made is that a few members of the match committee might have their head in the clouds. Ratts' openly describes himself as a heart-on-the-sleeve kind of guy.

Probably doesn't affect his decision making one bit, but I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall in that meeting.

The only reasonable conclusion I've come to is that they feel Walker hasn't been completing a lot of upper-body work through training (I think doc mentioned something about him running laps during the week?) and that Grigg is just short according to the medical staff.

Those two blokes, fit, bring a lot more to the side than Johnson and Garlett, who are solid players in their own right (which is particularly exciting with respect to Garlett in future years).

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Point 1: bring Grigg in he tears hamstring and out for 4 - 6 - great.

Bring Tex in and he damages the shoulder out for 8 to 12 great!

Everyone is saying Grigg and Tex are ready but maybe the match commitee are saying, we'll wait until they ARE READY.


Point 2 - it is not about winning games, its about winning a flag - they are not always the same thing.


After last week i am convinced we are no longer concerned just with winning games. At Last!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

If they were worried about Tex damaging the shoulder why would they even play him in the 2's?
Is he really that much more likely to re-injure it playing seniors rather than 2's?

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I'm starting to think he came up sore.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Yeah me too actually.. I can't see any other reason why he wouldn't be in the team. He's is easily in our best 10 players, and versatile.
But if that's the case will he play for the ants?
My opinion is that while playing AFL is a bit harder and faster than VFL, the risk of re-injuring a shoulder is not much different.
They're still grown men playing the same game. Will be interesting to see.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

its not about leaving a winning team unchanged. the result has nothing to with it as such.

it was the effort, the intensity in which we played, a full team contribution, as all players played their part.

you simply have to reward that. if a coach goes out and says i want this, this and this done, and a player does that, it gives the coach no grounds to drop him.

thats the point, everyone harps on that it was richmond and they where poor, but IMO, it was out pressure, applied all over the ground, that forced them into being poor.

when i side does that, and does everything asked of them by the coach, and then wins by 80+ you simply have to reward effort. if someone had a shocker, fine bring in walker/grigg but IMO all where good. hell, we only had two players with less that 10 possesions, and even those to are acceptale. one being joseph a tager, and jacobs our ruck and even then i thought both did their jobs.

you look through the team that playres last week, and IMO, not a single player deserves to be dropped, despite how good tex was the previos week.

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"No one's a walk-up start," + "It's a great position for the club to be in."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/ ... 42,00.html

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Haha remember earlier in the year when the Herald Sun did their team review and we were all bagging Leigh Matthews for not having Walker and Grigg in the 22.

I agree 100%. And the converse is - if you drop two players to fit in Walks and Grigg, you might well satisfy Walk's and Grigg's egos but you will at the same time be seriously undermining the confidence of the two that you drop and probably many more in the squad because it will be seen as favouring players rather than rewarding effort. Remember it is a team sport, one which is bigger than the individual.

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couldn't have put it better myself, SS.

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Garlett is not ready for senior football yet, way too timid. Give him time to develop his body and his game.

Russell should just go away without returning, at least 3 turnovers in the last quarter in the most crucial period of the game. My patience with him has ended.