Look here Melvey.. can you stop following my posts with one of yours basically supporting what im saying????

Its bad for the credibility stakes for me....

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Jeez I must be crazy.

I thought going into to last week's game we had won four of our last six.

I thought we had generally beaten teams we should have, and lost to teams we had minimal expectations of beating.

I thought for the first time in six years we were a relevant team in the finals race longer than round 3.

I thought we had gone and won at Subiaco, and knocked off three teams we had an abmysmal recent record against.

I thought for the first time in years we had seen genuine improvement from youngsters in key positions.

I thought we had done all this with our best two midfielders (maybe three depending on how you view Hadley) clearly (and still) underdone.

I thought we had done all this with our best six backmen playing a total four games together. More than that, I thought for the first time in six years we could see a bunch of 6-8 players and say - there's our backline for five years.

I thought we had done all this with one midget ruckman trying his guts out and two babies trying to give us a contest.

I thought we had seen for the first time in forever some spirit in the team and a resolve not to lay down when tide turned against them.

I thought we had done all this with the youngest list in the comp who until this year had NOTHING in the way of leadership within the group.

Nah, I must be crazy because clearly we're going nowhere.

I didn't realise that teams could turn on the quality tap and have a group of boys stand up to men who have played together for six years plus and just make it happen - after all of 16 weeks of playing together.

FFS some people here amaze me.

Seeing as some of you are so upset at what you are seeing, go spend some time and have a look at Hawthorn's results in Clarkson's first ten weeks coaching, and some of the articles screaming for his head. You may find it enlightening.

Melvin = The Sideler from Seinfeld

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Punter why do people bring up Clarkeson???

Why not bring up someone like say.... Mike Patersons first 10 games.. ???

or Timmy Watsons???

Why is Clarkeson...???

IS Ratts Clarkeson???
Is Carlton HAwthorn?????

Thats like saying Lyon is Roos and StKilda is Sydney...

OR... wait for it.....

StKilda was Brisbane... and Thomas was MAthews....!!!!


I dind those kind of comparisons absolutely ridiculous.........!!!..... seriously......

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Actually it's my gf that wears the Juddy jumper to bed, but that's another story

You're right, I didn't want to tank, and as rapt as I am to have Judd and Kreuzer I wouldn't change my stance even in hindsight. In fact, I find the uproar here after every loss, and the cries about losing and falling over being unacceptable, even more ridiculous when compared with the tune many here were playing this time last year, but that's another issue.

Criticise away though. Hell, I'm critical of some things too, but unlike some here (not necessarily you) I won't be caught waiting for bad things to happen to my team just so I can say I told you so and feed my own bile. Case in point, Jordan Russell. I can't understand what he's doing in the team, but would rather he actually do something to prove me wrong than see him disappear without showing anything, and would gladly admit to my guff if he did. But the attitude from some people here seems to be that being right is more important than the success of the team, and I know I'm not the only one who gets pissed off by this.

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#GUILTY

If you never raise questions you will never search for answers... if you dont have answers youre dumb!!!....

take my word for it... thats how the world works...

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You don't see any similarities between Carlton and Hawthorn? Seriously?

Tons of early draft picks, pretty much a total clean out of the list with an untried, unproven coach - and you see no similarities? Come on Synners - you're better than that.

The main difference I see is that they got more picks than we have, thanks to our penalties and their trades. We still have some clearing out to do, but I would say after next preseason, this list will just about be totally turned over and even younger than this year.

Which is about two years after the Hawks finished their clean out, and is about how far behind them I think the Blues are.

i see the similarities with draft picks and talent...

but i dont take anything for granted... the moment you think u know its all under control.. and its just going to happen for you...... it will explode in your face...

it doesnt take much you know for things to go belly up....

its all about tutoring and understanding and playing to patterns ... and once that happens... it will trandlate into wins and confidence...

but when the basics are untouched... its hard to think ts just going to happen....you can easily kid yourself...

this isnt about winning a few games against clubs that happen to be more of a rabble....

its about winning with sustainability... and a TRUE wndow of pportunity to make all this worth it... A FLAG!!!

Draft picks give you hope..... development in a purefair dinkum sense will make it a reality...

Nothing else is acceptable for Carlton...

Nothing else is acceptable for what weve gone through,,,

i want the kick ins organised cos then that means i take confidence that other set ups are correct.. the ones in the heat of the battle...
.. and players know how to work for one another... not for themselves..

its basics...

ts hard... but it is still the footy basics...

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What creditability?? [edited by mods]

Synners, to that I would say;

I've seen more improvement in these 10 weeks of H&A football than I have in six years.

Judd himself has said it's going to take a couple of years for the onfield performance to truly gel - looking at teams such as Hawthorn and Geelong, this contention holds water. Geelong took longer because they are fragile.

I would say based on that, Ratts deserves at least the length of his contract to carry on. Dick said he wanted 8 games at the start of the season and that's where we're headed.

The way were playing Judd he wont be able to play in 2 years...so i suppose we will have to do it wothout Judd....

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Synners, I can't believe that on any level, we would be risking him in any way this year - especially given what happened to him last year at WC.

His groins arent the only thing screaming.... in fact its the rest of him thats screaming for help...

believe it...


unless we work at protecting him and each other............




same goes with fev,,,,


Ratts gameplan right now is subpar relying on a couple over the many...

i hope he improves....and we improve.. not the win loss ratio... that will come good when you rectify the basics and improve on that...

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Synners, they are kids - it's only natural the older, harder bodies get more than their share of the load. The only cure for that is time - time for learning, and time for their bodies to mature.

so according to your logic, you either know everything (yet refuse to answer 1/2 the questions posed to you when they counter your arguements) or you are dumb...

If im dumb and youre smart how come you would have traded Fev 4 years ago and kept Lance???....and each second to third post of yours for 4 or 5 years is about trading Fev...???

Just out of curiosity...

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it hurts when you dont yell out "youre hot" or block for teamates... especially young bodies...

But even little Giansiracusa can block big Kosi if you understand how to do it...and even little Eddie Betts can tackle better than Waite

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I've never claimed to be smart - and I certainly dont follow your logic.

On Fev - I'd have traded him years ago on the basis of his poor onfield application and high trade value. I also recognise the drawbacks of having him as our primary/dominant forward (90+% of I50 entries directed to him) and the impact that has on our other forwards that we have tried to develop (who are invariably starved of the ball). I've tempered my calls for him to be traded as his on field application has improved over the past year or so, however I am still willing to trade him for a good deal as I believe our current team (which is still in development mode) would benefit more from having multiple 'lesser' forward targets rather than the one dominant force.

On lance, I felt he had a fair bit to offer the team though due to circumstances he was being played out of position (I'd have had him deep forward/FF). I'm still comfortable with that position. In terms of what went wrong - well knee injuries and being forced to switch continually back and forward shortened his career.

So now that I've explained my position, perhaps you wish to expand on your logic - do you claim to know everything or are you dumb? or perhaps you just dont think through every rant before you post it...

yeah thanks for explaining yourself..... but it was ridiculous thinking...!!!

again thanks...

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Whitnall was finished as a footballer because he couldnt run . The writing was on the wall in his B+F year because his last half was ordinary like the other 3 .ON top of that he was lazy and a bad example off the field.


The other thing that you have to do in todays footy is occasionally go in and get the ball yourself because all players are stronger and tactics at ballups are far more advanced than a few years ago.
A few of our "stars "better change their ways and start helping each other out otherwise the game will pass them by in a different way.

On Fev I would only offer him 2 years because
1He been an idiot off the field and whether he likes it or not is damaged goods through his own fault

2 His body may not last the season because of his groins. This has happened the last 2 years.

Fev will be 29 in 2010