I thought he said that he didn't know how they were going when asked as soon as he sat down.

He said that twice - he didn't know how negotiations were going.

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Yes exactly. He said multiple times words to the effect that it was with management and he didn't know much about it.

Considering the forum, and the badgering of him which was going on I don't know how you could expect much else.

I'm as harsh on him as the next bloke but I think we're getting a bit carried away here. He's doing well leave him be.

If an extra 100k is what incentivises Fev to keep the skipper in his pants, then pay him and pay him gladly.

I'd prefer we pay him an incentive if he was to achieve a minimum of 50 goals or something in each year of the new contract. I fail to see why someone should get 100K to help with keeping their "skipper" in their pants or some other form of bad behaviour. It shouldn't be asking too much for Fev to be mature enough to leave his past problems in the past, learn from those mistakes and simply put all his energy into being a valuable player for the Carlton Football Club now and for the rest of his career....

You can also see it as Fev being 'fined' $100,000 if he does the wrong thing if you spin it the other way.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

I'd prefer the incentive to be based on more team orientated stats - 1%rs, tackles etc rather than goals.

I'd also prefer the incentive component to make up a greater proportion of Fevs contract (ie 2-300k as opposed to 100k).

Interesting to see how things pan out.

Say you draw up a contract 4thchicken which says if Fevola lays 5 tackles a game and achieves seven 1 percenters a game he will be rewarded financially, what happens in a game where we absolutely smash the opposition and Fevola gets 12 goals from beautiful midfield passing and he doesn't even have to lay a tackle because the opposition are so woeful?

You could always base his bonuses on Dream Team points

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

I'd suggest the club isn't concerned so much with what he does on the field. It's clear that when his head is on straight, those areas of the game you're referring to are clear for all to see. So putting the $$ into that isn't addressing the issue.

The concern is what happens off the field, and hence the reason they incentivise him there.

It would be over a season as opposed to a single game - if Fev averaged 5 tackles and 7 1%rs/game over the course of a season then we wouldnt have to worry about his goal tally as the goals would come to the team through increased forward line pressure/opportunities.

Even in a single game, regardless of how woeful the opposition has been, I doubt there would be a case where all of our forward 50 entries were marked and converted to goals without the opposition spoiling the ball etc. Players can always chase/harass/spoil/tackle...

Then there may be games where the opposition flood, or absolutely belt us with the ball rarely entering our forward 50. Again, Fevola would be penalised financially for something he has no control over.

Like Collingwood?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Seemed to me Fev was appearing on the Footy Show in order to get public support in his negotiations

The Footy Show's always looking for a story. If you haven't got one then make one...

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Bawditawaba

TFS pays Fev about $80K a year to appear on the program at least 6 times a year.

The club, which isn't a fan of the show and him appearing on it, previously couldn't afford or did not want to pay him the amount to avoid him appearing.

I'm hoping that the alleged $100K good behaviour covers TFS and Fev not appearing on it.

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Just heard on Channel 10's 'Half time report' that Fev has rejected 3 years & 2 million.

according to John Ralph on (the half time report" (read half baked report). Mike Sheahan has a report in tomorrow's HUN that say Fev has formally rejected a 3yr $2mil deal. He is not interested in bonuses, cars or other clauses. He (Ralph) also mentioned we have "wiggle room" in the cap and Fev and his management know this - the implication being he is holding the club to ransom.

As I said on P1 I hoped this would be played out behind closed doors but it appears Fev or his new management would rather do it in the press.

Dave Allison anyone?

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I'm shocked to be sitting here

It's his call. If he wants to do it that way, he can risk losing a lot of respect from Carlton people in the process.

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#GUILTY

We should draw a walk away line, if Fev and his mgm want something beyond that then he is up for trade or can go to Melbourne in the psd.

If HS is writing an article then its probably Carlton mgm who are placing pressure on Fev. HS has a +ve Carlton bias.

Everyone is replacable. I am sure we can get good return on a trade.

If we give in to ranson then it sets preceedent for future negotiations, which by the looks of the talent we have on hand are going to be tough.

Yep, do not get sucked in like Carlton under Elliot.

Stick to a figure, or get something for him in a very good draft if he wants to screw the club.

I love Fev as a player, always have since he came to the club, but no one player should ever damage the team.

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Oooh, scary!

Something like letting him go to Melbourne in the PSD?