Yeah something isnt right ith SOS' knee.

Glad to hear he's going in for scans, otherwise we'd still be in the dark.

Like I said, an easy short pass and it went sideways, and another 30m kick didnt hit his target. I knew he wasn't right.

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Dane Swan ran top 10 in the Brownlow at 23, club BnF at 24, AA at 25.

Yeo went back to WA at the end of his first (mandatory) contract.

If you’re desperate for a comparable journey to measure against Dow, he’s got a couple of teammates that are closer to the mark - Martin & Acres. High price paid, 5-6 years of dreck, changed clubs and reinvented themselves for moderate success.

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not sure about your dane facts - he was 8 years in the pies system before he started getting 30 possessions a game and be in those winning teams and brownlow calculations?

he's the afl posterchild for late blooming mids.

Gov has re-signed for 2 more

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/14132 ... more-years

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Is Jack Martin out of contract this year? Nothing has been mentioned about him.

next year

Glad Gov has re-signed. Hope it was for reasonable $$.

Hopefully he stays fit like he has for most of this year.

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Agree. I don't think Cook will let our Salary Cap get out of control again. Also, with success more players stay for less. Let's hope it continues

Thanks for the input boys . Just saying he could be a late bloomer and i would hate to see him blossom elsewhere after putting in the hard work . I just used Yeo as an example but as you guys pointed out there are plenty of others who have done the same . Yeah Bondi i get how the AFL wheel keeps turning and list turnover is inevitable with hard luck stories galore . Dunno really , but i got this gut feeling about Paddy . Yes , i know , i have changed my tune coz although i wasn't overly critical of Paddy i certainly was not a big fan . He was just an OK player and thats all .

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P S ........... a classic late bloomer Liam Jones .

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Carlton Contracts:

2023: C.Marchbank, D.Cuningham, E.Curnow, J.Silvagni, J.Honey, L.Fogarty, L.Plowman, P.Dow, S.Durdin, S.Philp

2024: A.Cincotta, A.Mirkov, C.Durdin, D.Akuei, H.O'Keeffe, J.Carroll, J.Martin, J.Boyd, M.Cottrell, M.Owies

2025: A.Cerra, A.Saad, B.Acres, B.Kemp, G.Hewett, H.Lemmey, J.Weitering, J.Binns, J.Motlop, M.Kennedy, M.McGovern, N.Newman, S.Docherty, T. De Koning, Z.Fisher

2026: L.Cowan, L.Young, O.Hollands, S.Walsh, Z.Williams

2027: M.Pittonet, P.Cripps

2028:

2029: C.Curnow

2030: H.McKay

I think he's worth keeping to continue his development.
He improved post preseason with his strength, not sure about his kicking and his defensive side of his game really needs serious attention.
If he decides to leave us (and I think he has) because his manager has offers (plural) from other clubs. This is a good thing for us.
Hasn't turned 24yo yet (next couple months), but I don't want to be playing him to incent him to sign or anything stupid like that.
If he takes the one year offer from us, great. If he wants more years on that contract, I will leave that in the hands of the footy gods.

Look, you will miss him if he goes for the reasons you give, and like other posters, if you don't look at the defensive side of his game, will think he's a better player when he's playing with the opposition like we've seen posters suggest SPS Stocker and Setterfield are better players with their new clubs, when they are the same player as they were at Carlton.

All we need is a flag to forgive and forget. Lets hope that is 2023 and 2024 for starters.

We have to make room as a Destination club.

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He bloomed when he went from a failed/ average forward of 10 years to the backline at 28yo.

Where does Dow bloom if he doesn't improve his defensive side?

And, given he lacks defensive nous he's remains a depth player at carlton under Voss, till he does, regardless how much some fans scream.

I don't think we can give him 2 or 3 years to see if he develops his defensive side. Hope he stays and doesn't cost much.

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That is the right way to look at the list if you know who the Primary Cat A and Cat B are

In 2023 if we don't trade Fisher and Dow, we need to make 3 spots available on the Primary list, maybe lose Plowman Marchbank & Philp, and Marchbank makes room for Cottrell promotion, and 3 off the Rookie to make room for Marchbank (coz Vossy admires him) Ed, Durdin and LOB ie decision between Marchbank and LOB.

In 2024 required another 3 off the Primary List: Dow, Carroll and trade someone. Bloody hell, we say, who do we push?

In 2025 Kennedy, Fisher Newman Bloody hell, will they be past their best? Hope we can Trade Fisher if not this year.

Get use to losing some faves by delisting or trading, demoting and promoting. I've accepted it could be my faves this year Marchbank, and the kids, Honey, Philp.

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Lewis Young 2026 in hindsight doesnt look quite so good now...

Lewis Young good last year not so good this year

Still young and got potential wouldnt be on a heap and can be back up ruckman at a pinch so not the worst signing

Some suggestions that Plowmans deal is back ended and onna fair bit this year so with him leaving frees up some cap

Handy list player. Can play Ruck, KPD and KPF. Can improve

Bondi, if you're wondering why I accused you of bagging LOB, just look at the reserves vs. GCS thread for an example... I counted 3 posts calling him out, saying he couldn't make a pass, wasn't interested, couldn't defend, couldn't get the ball, let his opponent have his way, then said his contract should be bought out... and none of these posts were replies to a conversation, they were just you talking to yourself. Sorry, but I find that sort of relentless attack pretty annoying, and when you day things like "for those who think he is worth keeping..." it's pretty clear you're looking to carry on the fight with Sidefx et al. I know you'll say it's just vigorous debate, but understand that persistence can grate.