Glad to hear that about Gresham. I don't think he adds anything at all.
The two most interesting questions re our list and also our preferred team are:
1) Fogarty
2) Pitto / JSOS

1) Fogarty has clearly added significant value since coming back into the team. It depends on whether the coaches believe he has something special or whether they believe they could instill similar qualities in another player.
2) Pitto / JSOS - For mine, JSOS takes Pitto's spot. (Or even Harry). Don't know what the MC think though. I think TDK has really stepped up over the past month and I have seen what others have been excited about. Admittedly, in bursts and quarters, rather than for the whole game but I think he will really break out next season. He will require less and less game day support which gives us a lot more flexibility.

I think we will now offer Dow a modest contract and will keep him either if he chooses to stay or if we don't get enough for him - I suspect they will want some sort of lowish pick either to package up for a higher pick to send to a team like GC who have high picks but need points more than the picks. Of course, every club will be trying to get at those higher picks...
Similar - but slightly different - story with Fisher.
Also, their confidence in Cunningham's resilience will have an effect on who we need to retain as cover.
I also think everyone will want to keep Marchbank on the list. I'd guess an incentive based senoir contract rather than a rookie contract. He is extremely versatile and classy. Has only played 3 or 4 games. If he can stay on the park, I think he is best 22 for next season (may be just outside it for now although I wouldn't be surprised to see him retain his spot).
And, FWIW, I would be highly surprised if McGovern is not recontracted, albeit at a more appropriate salary. He has been great this season and makes a huge difference to our transition game.

PS. We have really smashed it over the past couple of months, given our injuries!
Must keep it going for the next 2 games+...

Excellent news. Sanity prevails. This move made no sense at all


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Please, for the love of God, don't delist Fog.

The man has proved he can play at the top level when we need him to. Depth wins Premierships.

Plowman, Philp, Honey and Ed.

Surely we don't need to delist anyone else?

Ed is rookie list and we have two extras to start with. So need to delist 5 from main list.

Plowman Honey LOB to rookie list or paid out. Not sure after that. I’m guessing Dow and Durdin.

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Which Durdin? I would definitely keep Corey.

This early payout talk for O’Brien is complete nonsense.

He’s no Beams or Steven with mental health issues - and I’m pretty sure we haven’t turned into St Kilda overnight.

If there’s a commitment, then he stays on.

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I'm a bigger fan of Marchbank than Honey and Philp.
Only reason I demoted Marchbank was because of his injury history and given there has been plenty of discussion regarding cutting injury prone players, that's the best I could do.

Honey has promoted to the Primary list from rookie status, and I'm not sure of the rules around that. I loved watching Philps run in the centre last weekend. Reminded me of his weapons: Speed and tackler who can kick a goal. He wasnt a first round for nothing.

Point is, the improvement in fitness and form in the whole group has been tantalising and I just want to keep the group together and keep developing what we have. Next year we will another 3 spots up for grabs. 1 year at a time. No need for big contracts.

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I dont know what youre saying TBH. Beams, Steven St Kilda????
Nah we have to just focus on the Carlton list and facts, and forget analogies.

LOB pay out talk I probably started because of plenty of reasons already explained.

Let me see...what position does he play? Who is ahead of him? Who else will be coming to push LOB further back.
Acres, Hollands, Cottrell, Binns, Camporeale LOB. Is LOB needed?

Your list of rookies had LOB listed. Is he a rookie or not?
We need 2 rookies gone to have correct numbers. Only one, Ed doesn't have a 2024 contract.
Which other of LOB, Mirkov, Cottrell, Boyd, Cincotta, O'Keefe has to go? Hint, it isn't the last 4.

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Funny how our list depth looks so much better when we win 8 in a row.

Yes, LOB is still on the rookie list, contracted until end of 2024. As are Mirkov, Cottrell, Boyd, Cincotta and O'Keefe.
Ed and big Durdin are the other two Cat A rookies, both contracted until end of 2023. Akuei on the Cat B list is contracted until 2024. Reckon I'd be a little bit nervous about my future if I was Sam Durdin.
I reckon this page is a decent view of the various lists http://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2023/carlton

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I'd be reluctant to let S.Durdin go. Yes he is more of a break glass in case of an emergency option, but looking at our history, that could be a real option.
Having said that, who I'd delist ahead of him, I have no idea other than obvious candidates - Ed (retired), Plow, Philp and Honey.
Marchy and Cunners stay on the park for the remainder of the season, they've likely earnt themselves another contract.
Do agree with one of Bondi's earlier posts, think we'll take minimal picks to the draft. Have our natural first rounder but next pick isn't till the 4th round so minimal gain in taking multiple picks. Good chance we'll trade next years first for an early pick this year so if that happens, we'll use those 2 picks but beyond that, not much else.
Guess may depend on whether Fish and Dow go or stay as well.
Said at the time giving LOB 2 years wasn't smart, but except in extreme cases, not in the habit of breaking contracts so unless we can find a trade for him, he stays for another 12 months.

I think there could be a mutually beneficial outcome with LOB. The reality is just about everyone has gone past him. Cottrell, Acres, Hollands, Fisher and next will be Binns, Carroll etc. Plus you have guys like Boyd and Cincotta who are giving Doc more time on the wing, with Williams still to come back, Hewett, Kennedy and now even Dow in great form in the middle giving more time for Walsh and possibly Cerra on the outside, plus players like Fogarty and Cuningham spending time through the middle. Don’t see how LOB gets a look in, even with an injury crisis.

If he knows he has little chance of playing, surely he’d prefer to go somewhere like North who will probably give him a 2 year deal and he’ll be a good chance to play most weeks. If we brokered a trade for peanuts, I think it’s a win/win

In all honesty, LOB is the antithesis of the brutal brand of footy we are now playing. He has always looked like a boy playing a man’s game


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Forgot S.Durdin and didn't realise he is out of contract.

So, anyone, tell us, why there wouldn't be any discussion by Austin and Lloyd asking the question do we cut LOB or S.Durdin? S.Durdin is the easy one to drop given he's out of contract, but he and Young are our only KPD depth whereas LOB we have plenty ahead of him. Its not an easy decision really.

I reckon that discussion would be inevitable. Then there would be the Honey and Philp or LOB conversations taking place too. I shouldn't be unexpected.

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The two Irish lads coming in won’t be on the primary list either.

I reckon our offseason business is more or less set. We’ll see as many as 3-4 upgrades prior to the draft, with the only variable being trade & FA returns for Dow, Fisher, McGovern, Plowman, Cuningham, Silvagni & possibly O’Brien (if he was moved to the primary list when Philp returned).

I can’t see any going the other way (primary to rookie) until we acquire some picks between 14 & 66.

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Very possible.

The highlighted line is spot on imo and I doubt anyone would disagree with you.

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I agree based on how LOB was last time I saw him, but now I'm seeing reports from the magoo watchers saying he's become a contested beast (hyperbole alert) so now I don't know what to believe! A couple of months ago I thought Fog and Fish had their bags packed. The club is purring and rejects are being reinvented as footballers. I guess we'll see what happens, is this new role in VFL just fattening LOB up for market or will he be a new [Carlton] man in '24?

Get him to hit the gym hard over the summer, and let's see what he can do next season.

I'm all in on this "bringing players back from the dead" thing we've got going on.

Dont believe the hype

Contested beast, my arse.

He went into the centre to start off where you can't miss a body, so he hit bodies and they hit him. Had a few clearances, but that wouldn't be the case in the AFL. Then played wing rest of the game. Why didnt the coach persevere with the contested beast? Because he wasn't. Exaggeration.

Fog was fantastic with the contested ball in the VFL, playing midfield and deserved his call up because it was an area we were lacking with form and fitness hurting our best 22. He has a lot of weaknesses too. Not sure if I would call Fog reinvented. Still the same footballer.

Fisher played HB as the spare. Its when he has an opponent I will see where he fits. I have my suspicion, and with Boyd back, I can't see Fisher playing Finals. Finals separates the men from the boys.

Depth players, not developing players.

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