If we give up pick 5 then Marchbank will be the steak knives.

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You're making too much sense Ryan. Back in your box.

A rarity for me........ I apologise.

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Like I said, all AFL pundits are saying all Collingwood need to give GWS for Hoskin-Elliott (Pick 4, 52 games) is a third rounder.

GWS are wanting a second rounder from St Kilda for Jack Steele (Pick 24 17 games).

We have to give pick 5 or 13 in a deal for Caleb Marchbank (Pick 6, 7 games - 17 NEAFL games in 2 years).

I don't think so.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

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Its simple ... we are a feeder team. Betts, Yarran, Waite, Henderson, Touhy, Gibbs .... whose next ... Cripps (I want to go home excuse), The standard has been set.


If we were going to lose Gibbs ... we should have thrown everything at Tom Mitchell .... our midfield will be so weak next year.

But in any case ... I suppose because we are a feeder team, neither Mitchell nor any other decent prospect will want to play for us. As soon as we develop any talent we will lose it much like we have seen with other feeder clubs.

If we don't take a stand with Gibbs, get set to welcome the cherry pickers for another cold decade in the history of the Carlton Football Club.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Gibbs is leaving because his missus wants to leave. I can tell you, having a missus who wants to go home to mum is as good a reason as any to uprrot your life and move if you want eternal happiness. Also, Walker of the delaide variety has obviously been in his ear about finals next year, premiership window etc etc More money, more success and a happy family life make a combined pretty fornmidable argument.
Touhy surprised me more than Gibbs. he is obviously doing it for the money principally but with the added bonus of playing finals. e will need to be well established in Geelong because being roundly booed by those who once loved him will make the Irish homesickness a bit more possible. Uour two other Irish boys will feel his absence. They relied on him a lot when they arrived. We need to make sure they don't leave as well.

We are a feeder team at the moment because of our lowly position and our salary arrangemkents. We have too few earning too much. Once we geta balance, it will be easier to give the Touhys the extra year if they deserve it or the Cripps the extra money because o=he does. We will be playing finals soon enough so that part of it will not be as strong against us. By then we will be able to look at the clubs rebuilding and suggest to their 'wantaways' that we can offer them finals footy in one of the most famous clubs inthe country. If we have a reasonable season next year and I am talking 10-12 position, we will get mnore good draft picks and we should go after a BIG fish FA. Gibbs's salary will be freed up adn Thomas's as well. The missing piece in the puzzle is whether or not we can turn the GWS rejects into footballers. They were high picks in their own right and there is no shame innot getting a game in their midfield. We won't be a feeder team for long. Hold on, the ride will be bumpy if Bolton can manage to turn the club around but it will be worth it.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

And yet Andrew Mackay still has a job.

I know Gibbs is worth more then pick 13 thats why i said there first rounder next year as well.
Sos clearly rates marchbank as he drafted him at pick 6 at GWS and now is trying to recruit him 2 years later. I would love to get him for a 2nd rounder but am just being realistic, everyone in the media says he is going to be a gun for 10-12 years and is worth a first rounder. Imagine Mckay plays 5 games next year then requests to leave, would you not be wanting a first rounder for him?.

Hoskins-Elliott pick 4 52 games - getting a third rounder maybe a second rounder from Collingwood.


Steele pick 24 17 games - probably getting a second rounder from St Kilda.


All media trade pundits saying this is OK.


Yet Marchbank pick 6 7 games in two years and we have to cough up pick 5 or the Adelaide pick 13 we get for Gibbs.

I don't think so.

Do you guys walk into a used car yard and pay the window price?

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Makes sense.

Gibbs is a former #1 and a proven, resilient midfielder. Former club champ who also faired well at this year's Brownlow. An AA candidate. Worth much more than pick 13.
Refer to Treloar for indicator of his value. Maybe not 2 x first rounders but at least a top 10 pick plus a first 22 player.

On his own Marchbank is no longer a first rounder, out of contract etc etc. 2nd rounder.

Pickett the same as Marchbank.

I'm starting to think taking #5 and #13 to the draft if GWS a dicking us around.

I believe/hoping GWS are treating Carlton harshly on the surface compared to other deals GWS are doing with other clubs, and in the background, they have a deal in the pipeline with SOS after all other deals are done.

Then there's Stewart....2nd rounder.

The question in my head is whether I'd do pick 13 for Marchbank, Pickett, Stewart and Corr swap latter picks.
Maybe. As long as we can get ourselves another mid to add to the mid from pick #5.

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I don't know why we keep picking these tall kids that take 6 years to find out if they can play or not while we are ranked about 17 in the league for clearances, and thats with Cripps who is one of the best in the business.

Why can't we keep Gibbs go and get 7 or 8 mids in trading and the draft and then pick up some proven forwards once we show we can get the ball forward.

This obseession with trying to find the next Jonathan Brown is hurting us.

We still have this notion of a spine..it's bullshit. I would have rather got Steele than Marchbank.

Today's game is about the best athletes at ground level. We should trade Kruezer instead of Gibbs, the Hawks haven't had a decent ruckman in years, the Swans use guys off the rookie list, and the Bulldogs used their fullback.

CB

agree in red - we should offload gibbs and thouy for picks and use all draft picks on the national draft and develop them

Why can't anyone spell 'Touhy'???

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Don't know, given you can't spell it why don't you tell us?

See!!!!

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Destination Club

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I'm shocked to be sitting here

Well deserved.

From the HUN:

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Leading goal kicker only gets 1 year. We just don't like goals do we

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