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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:48 pm 
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Some of our best football in the last month only featured 2 of those 6 contributing.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:53 pm 
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Some of our best football in the last month only featured 2 of those 6 contributing.

Last month we went 1 win 2 losses and a draw
Was that our best

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:57 pm 
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Why look at the scoreboard when we were well out of finals contention months before then.

Other than the Port game, the final six weeks were our best patch of form for the year. Not sure of your point?

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 Post subject: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:58 pm 
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He needs more to be depressed about.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:00 pm 
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dane wrote:
He needs more to be depressed about.

No its depressing enough seeing what Malthouse has done to this team
Just think we were at 11.00 o'clock

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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Officially?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:14 pm 
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dane wrote:
He needs more to be depressed about.

No its depressing enough seeing what Malthouse has done to this team
Just think we were at 11.00 o'clock


..but now it's daylight savings time, so we start next season right on time..

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:29 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
dane wrote:
He needs more to be depressed about.

No its depressing enough seeing what Malthouse has done to this team
Just think we were at 11.00 o'clock


I'm not sure why Mick said we were near 11 o'clock (pressure from the "Sticks" brigade perhaps?) but I suspect he knew not long after arriving that we were nowhere near it, and it took him some time to convince the powerbrokers at the club that drastic change was needed. Regardless of whether or not he coaches beyond 2015, in my view he will have left our list in a much better place than it was by sorting out the pro's from the pretenders, getting the most out of the pro's we do have, and moving on guys that were never going to be part of our next premiership team (whether that be due to age, skill level, attitude....). This has been needed for years, and IMO it's been (mostly) done. I'm bullish about next season and how we may springboard from it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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Just as a heads up guys, commemorative "CARLTON FC: WE WERE AT 11 O'CLOCK" t-shirts going at 80% off in the club store as we speak. "CARLTON FC: IF ONLY WALKER GOT PAID THAT FREE KICK IN THE GOAL SQUARE...." also in stock.

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Next to the SOS 1993 Post Grand Final commemorative mugs, "I touched it" :razz:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:46 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
dane wrote:
He needs more to be depressed about.

No its depressing enough seeing what Malthouse has done to this team
Just think we were at 11.00 o'clock

Afternoon shift finished has it.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:12 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
dane wrote:
He needs more to be depressed about.

No its depressing enough seeing what Malthouse has done to this team
Just think we were at 11.00 o'clock


I'm not sure why Mick said we were near 11 o'clock (pressure from the "Sticks" brigade perhaps?) but I suspect he knew not long after arriving that we were nowhere near it, and it took him some time to convince the powerbrokers at the club that drastic change was needed. Regardless of whether or not he coaches beyond 2015, in my view he will have left our list in a much better place than it was by sorting out the pro's from the pretenders, getting the most out of the pro's we do have, and moving on guys that were never going to be part of our next premiership team (whether that be due to age, skill level, attitude....). This has been needed for years, and IMO it's been (mostly) done. I'm bullish about next season and how we may springboard from it.

Define Not long
He was in the job 12 months when he made the 11 o'clock statement.
When he first arrived it was no limits remember

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:15 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
dane wrote:
He needs more to be depressed about.

No its depressing enough seeing what Malthouse has done to this team
Just think we were at 11.00 o'clock


I'm not sure why Mick said we were near 11 o'clock (pressure from the "Sticks" brigade perhaps?) but I suspect he knew not long after arriving that we were nowhere near it, and it took him some time to convince the powerbrokers at the club that drastic change was needed. Regardless of whether or not he coaches beyond 2015, in my view he will have left our list in a much better place than it was by sorting out the pro's from the pretenders, getting the most out of the pro's we do have, and moving on guys that were never going to be part of our next premiership team (whether that be due to age, skill level, attitude....). This has been needed for years, and IMO it's been (mostly) done. I'm bullish about next season and how we may springboard from it.

Define Not long
He was in the job 12 months when he made the 11 o'clock statement.
When he first arrived it was no limits remember



Its a good read Sydney, and you stick phat with your POV, but that's all in the past. Its done.

None of those players including rookies were going to take us to the next finals series. Too old, too slow, to stupid, or something like that.

They had to be cleaned out. Theres another half dozen to clean out andother 3-4 quality trades PLUS our good draft selections.

I think the bar is being raised from the bottom up. The bottom 6 are gone...as long as we dont have 7-10 injuries, but that will once again improve by the time MM has completed his tenure. Carlton already in a better place than the one in the Prelim with Ratten as coach. We nearly made it. Made what? The prelim. He didnt win a prelim. The good thing from Rattens era, which I enjoyed mind you, was the players who remain. They're gooduns.

Gibbs is becoming elite, and Kreuzer and Murphy with him may rip up the comp.
It is their time. Add Walker and Simmo as the elder statesmen, a role Scotland and to a lesser extent, Waite played.

It's the rest of the list we need to improve out of site, and I cant criticise what MM's done in the last 2 drafts. Sure I wish he made changes in his 1st year because we needed to, but he was like the rest of us, believing we were knocking on the door as a top 4 side. Its easy to crticise MM but Im sure the failure of high draft picks over the last 10 years are not his doing.

No doubt in my mind I consider Malthouse style with our list improvement has been done with style and grace. Tough decisions. But he's not the only one who makes the final decision on the cut and the resruitment. There's still the rest of the old Carlton blokes who may barrack for the team too much who make decisions too.

Yes, there's the sour grapes from Brock to Waite which aint good and his sour relationship with a flower writer. Football. That's what I care about.

He got pulled up earlier in the year by Maclure and possibly others to pull his head in when representing Carlton Football Club. MM knows we are not Collingwood, Footscray, West Coast where he could do anything.

I like the way its going with Malthouse at Carlton. I got ahead of myself a few years ago.
The list was deceptively full of potential back them.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:33 pm 
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I have been reading this thread with great interest and believe that there is too much angst among some of you guys. There is also no reason to can each other about personal beliefs. We are all entitled to give our opinions, but we have to learn to deal with facts a little more. To that end I have done up a chart that sets out the following:

Column 1: Ratts, Hughes & Swan List from 2012. Once you look closely at this list, maybe you will see the glaring deficiencies that IMHO were there in spades from previous poor recruiting and development.

Column 2: All of the players that have been moved out (Retired, Traded, FA or De-listed) since MM, Rogers & Macca have assumed those roles. Looking closely at this list, you might find 3-4 players who would be helpful moving forward, but age, form and mental capacity is their enemy.

Column 3: This list is the players who have been Recruited to the club in 3 Silly Seasons (2012, 2013 & 2014). Once again, MM, Rogers and Macca have been responsible for most of these. Note that there are 2 players that have been moved on from the previous 2 years as well. Keep in mind that this list will be complete in a month or so. I feel sure that you will agree that there are some fairly handy kids on this list. Maybe even compare this list to Column 2.

Column 4: This list is what the 3 Musketeers have put together in 3 Silly Seasons. Of course there are another 8-9 to be added. I have been comparing the 2015 List with the 2012 list and IMHO, we are so much better off now, than we were then. At least, there is the basis of a reasonable foundation. You be the Judge!

I trust that you guys will understand the colour coding. Cheers!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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Make or Break list this year:

Kreuzer (Foot)
Watson
Warnock (Heart)
Ellard
Carrazzo
Armfield
Tuohy

To a lesser extent (but they'll have to show some big signs)

Graham
Holman
Johnson
Giles (Foot)

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 Post subject: List Management 2014
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I wouldn't say heart for Warnock. Consistency is what he needs.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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It's too late.
Mick has ruined everything.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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Yay! Graphs that don't tell us shit!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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Can you make a graph The Rhino? I think not.

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