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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:54 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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1-4
3-2 is a pass mark.


depends who you play in those 5 games.

I would have thought that a 4:1 is a pass mark for Carlton's first 5 games

(If we had played the cats, hawks, freo in Perth, Sydney in Sydney and maybe a Port in Adelaide, the pass mark would be different - maybe 2:3 or even 1:4)


I'd have lived with 3-2 and some efforts with backbone in the losses.


Same here - in fact even 2:3 is better than where we are at the moment, but 4:1 was a realistic goal for the blues before the start of the season. But then again we are talking about this fragile blues list which hasnt strung more than 4 consecutive wins for over a decade

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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I'm all for him, as long as he let's the team play the style they were born and bred for.
He can take the credit if he wants, no problem. :razz:

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:28 am 
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I saw it at a pub in Bright with a large crowd and a few beers but I was happy with the effort. That's all we want.

We haven't the best list and some very average players but the most disappointing thing over the first few rounds was we just didn't care. Hopefully yesterday was the start of a change in attitude.

I still believe we are a side that should win between 8-10 games this year but we are a long long way off the top 4. Free wheeling footy is good to watch but doesn't get you anywhere significant. The issues that were raised over the past months still remain BUT when we have a crack and play for the jumper it is bearable. Nothing less should ever be tolerated.

What seemed obvious to me that the shackles were released and we were allowed to play free running footy. That was meant to get there confidence back. IMO it just proved we are a bunch of downhill skiers and the opposition were poor. However, it is good to watch! :wink:

It's important now we keep backing up that effort and playing the kids. At the end of the year major changes still need to be made but efforts like that will make it easier.

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Seems the tail is wagging this dog.


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Seems the tail is wagging this dog.

Story of the club since "player empowerment" back in the early 90s.

Worked okay with 20 professional guns but ain't such a great model with a group of Introverts who turn up some days on not on others.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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think how much money we could save if the team coaches itself though!
plus, it's a lot more fun to watch.
win win.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Just watched the Max Bailey doco on Fox. Not a bad watch, but not worthy of the acclaim and 'gee whiz, how good was that' rhetoric that'll run on fox tonight.

The one moment that stuck out for me was when they discussed Clarkson, Russell (their fitness guy) and Bailey meeting to outline what they'd have to do to get him through to the end of the season, knowing full well it'd be his last hurrah.

The club did everything they could to get a guy that had been through some tough times as good a send off as possible.

It's just one small instance. One small circumstance.

Contrast that with how Ratts left Brad Fisher - not a tremendously talented footballer, but one with a fair bit of heart who'd battled serious injury, in a poor era - stranded on 99 games. For a game in which the result would not affect our finishing position. It was spiteful and pathetic.

It's just one small example, but I think it a microcosm of why they've been a good team and we've been an ordinary one.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Just watched the Max Bailey doco on Fox. Not a bad watch, but not worthy of the acclaim and 'gee whiz, how good was that' rhetoric that'll run on fox tonight.

The one moment that stuck out for me was when they discussed Clarkson, Russell (their fitness guy) and Bailey meeting to outline what they'd have to do to get him through to the end of the season, knowing full well it'd be his last hurrah.

The club did everything they could to get a guy that had been through some tough times as good a send off as possible.

It's just one small instance. One small circumstance.

Contrast that with how Ratts left Brad Fisher - not a tremendously talented footballer, but one with a fair bit of heart who'd battled serious injury, in a poor era - stranded on 99 games. For a game in which the result would not affect our finishing position. It was spiteful and pathetic.

It's just one small example, but I think it a microcosm of why they've been a good team and we've been an ordinary one.


Max Bailey considered vital for a premiership.
Brad Fisher not good enough to play 100 games, lucky to play 50, would not have played 1 at the Hawks.

Where's the scandal Mr Cheese?

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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cimm1979 wrote:
Manchego Cheese wrote:
Just watched the Max Bailey doco on Fox. Not a bad watch, but not worthy of the acclaim and 'gee whiz, how good was that' rhetoric that'll run on fox tonight.

The one moment that stuck out for me was when they discussed Clarkson, Russell (their fitness guy) and Bailey meeting to outline what they'd have to do to get him through to the end of the season, knowing full well it'd be his last hurrah.

The club did everything they could to get a guy that had been through some tough times as good a send off as possible.

It's just one small instance. One small circumstance.

Contrast that with how Ratts left Brad Fisher - not a tremendously talented footballer, but one with a fair bit of heart who'd battled serious injury, in a poor era - stranded on 99 games. For a game in which the result would not affect our finishing position. It was spiteful and pathetic.

It's just one small example, but I think it a microcosm of why they've been a good team and we've been an ordinary one.


Max Bailey considered vital for a premiership.
Brad Fisher not good enough to play 100 games, lucky to play 50, would not have played 1 at the Hawks.

Where's the scandal Mr Cheese?


Its all about how you treat people who've given everything they could for the club. If you think it acceptable to behave that way, all power to you.

Fish had battled through terrible injury playing in a terrible team and had given it everything at AFL level. He should have been given the one game necessary to have his name on the locker - one of football's great traditions and recognitions of hard work. Especially since it was well known that it would be his last year in the game.

Remove names and ability from the equation (not for one second am I saying fisher > bailey) and you see an embarrassing contrast in how clubs conduct themselves and cultivate a good culture. From all reports Fish was well liked down at the club and had a good relationship with most of the playing group.

Awful treatment of a good clubman, I maintain.

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If Mick thinks this playing group is a one trick pony I suspect big changes at the end of the year with some big names shown the door.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Awful treatment of a good clubman, I maintain.


Ratts says Hi!

Ratt's may never have been up to it, but guy's like you took great delight in undermining him and still continue to 18 months after he's left the building.

Why is that?

MM should be good enough to work through this on his own, trashing Ratt's to cover for the super coach is just a cheap shot.

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cimm1979 wrote:
Manchego Cheese wrote:
Awful treatment of a good clubman, I maintain.


Ratts says Hi!

Ratt's may never have been up to it, but guy's like you took great delight in undermining him and still continue to 18 months after he's left the building.

Why is that?

MM should be good enough to work through this on his own, trashing Ratt's to cover for the super coach is just a cheap shot.


Because he is solely to blame for the vast majority of ills that plague this club - at least those in the footy dept. He didn't instil a better or harder edge in a decent team, didn't build the next wave and left us hopelessly bereft of the sort of depth required.

The clean up required post-Ratts was and is monumental.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Manchego Cheese wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
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Awful treatment of a good clubman, I maintain.


Ratts says Hi!

Ratt's may never have been up to it, but guy's like you took great delight in undermining him and still continue to 18 months after he's left the building.

Why is that?

MM should be good enough to work through this on his own, trashing Ratt's to cover for the super coach is just a cheap shot.


Because he is solely to blame for the vast majority of ills that plague this club - at least those in the footy dept. He didn't instil a better or harder edge in a decent team, didn't build the next wave and left us hopelessly bereft of the sort of depth required.

The clean up required post-Ratts was and is monumental.


So
Elliott
Smorgan
Collo
Sticks

Didn't exist.

Nice way to absolve the rich cauliflower running the joint, their idiot relatives and suckhole flunkies on the board.



It's all the fault of a coach. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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"Did you tinker with the game plan?"

"Not one inch"

I call BS

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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cimm1979 wrote:
Manchego Cheese wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
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Awful treatment of a good clubman, I maintain.


Ratts says Hi!

Ratt's may never have been up to it, but guy's like you took great delight in undermining him and still continue to 18 months after he's left the building.

Why is that?

MM should be good enough to work through this on his own, trashing Ratt's to cover for the super coach is just a cheap shot.


Because he is solely to blame for the vast majority of ills that plague this club - at least those in the footy dept. He didn't instil a better or harder edge in a decent team, didn't build the next wave and left us hopelessly bereft of the sort of depth required.

The clean up required post-Ratts was and is monumental.


So
Elliott
Smorgan
Collo
Sticks

Didn't exist.

Nice way to absolve the rich flower running the joint, their idiot relatives and suckhole flunkies on the board.



It's all the fault of a coach. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Were all those guys in charge of the footy dept? Recruiting? Development? Devising a plan B?

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Manchego Cheese wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Manchego Cheese wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Manchego Cheese wrote:
Awful treatment of a good clubman, I maintain.


Ratts says Hi!

Ratt's may never have been up to it, but guy's like you took great delight in undermining him and still continue to 18 months after he's left the building.

Why is that?

MM should be good enough to work through this on his own, trashing Ratt's to cover for the super coach is just a cheap shot.


Because he is solely to blame for the vast majority of ills that plague this club - at least those in the footy dept. He didn't instil a better or harder edge in a decent team, didn't build the next wave and left us hopelessly bereft of the sort of depth required.

The clean up required post-Ratts was and is monumental.


So
Elliott
Smorgan
Collo
Sticks

Didn't exist.

Nice way to absolve the rich flower running the joint, their idiot relatives and suckhole flunkies on the board.



It's all the fault of a coach. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Were all those guys in charge of the footy dept? Recruiting? Development? Devising a plan B?


Cheesy.

The buck stops where?

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Depends who you talk to, doesn't it.

We should have consolidated throughout that period on a solid list. We didn't. That's why we currently have such a discrepancy between best and young players.

I'd say the responsibility for that falls to the man whose vision for success was pursued. That'd be the senior coach of the time.

Now, the man charged with cleaning it all up is wearing considerable fan driven criticism.

Ratten coached for the now, with little regard for the future. Malthouse has to juggle both.

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"Did you tinker with the game plan?"

"Not one inch"

I call BS


Your right, I would rather a style which suits what we have than a mildly tinkered Collingwood 2010 game plan without the cattle to execute.

Is there some law out there that says fast and exciting footy can't be successful?


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Fast and exciting football would've beaten Melbourne by plenty.


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