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I think it’s the execution that’s the major problem.

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If Hinckley came it wouldn't be as line coach.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:03 pm 
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Cripps was full of praise for Clarke and indicated that he helped his game.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:46 am 
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It took me a few years to realize, but most line coaches are preaching from the same hymn book. Success makes or breaks an assistant. It's largely down to the players. Our guys aren't saying much different to the Swans and Lions assistants.


Are you saying our players can’t execute the plan, or don’t want to?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 9:40 am 
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Cripps was full of praise for Clarke and indicated that he helped his game.


Yep, I thought that was good to hear. We often don't hear a lot about assistants, so getting some confirmation of positive input from Cripps in his speech was great.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 9:44 am 
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camel wrote:
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Cripps was full of praise for Clarke and indicated that he helped his game.


Yep, I thought that was good to hear. We often don't hear a lot about assistants, so getting some confirmation of positive input from Cripps in his speech was great.



i'm not sure it's good to hear? we all heard midyear what a great guy hansen is. now cripps glow up on clarke. yet, we were the worst defensive stoppage team in the comp.

... these guys aren't getting the job done. the gameplan is ass, the gameday strategy and moving magnets is ass, and this season add some injuries and it was a complete washout

i'm a solid believer you're not meant to love your coaches... respect them and love their work. but they're not your mates, it doesn't work. it breeds comfort, and nothing great (to my knowledge in sports) is achieved from any place of comfort?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:32 pm 
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Perhaps its just not his forte as cripps has had some prior dubious comments on football related matters

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:00 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
camel wrote:
Blue4ever wrote:
Cripps was full of praise for Clarke and indicated that he helped his game.


Yep, I thought that was good to hear. We often don't hear a lot about assistants, so getting some confirmation of positive input from Cripps in his speech was great.



i'm not sure it's good to hear? we all heard midyear what a great guy hansen is. now cripps glow up on clarke. yet, we were the worst defensive stoppage team in the comp.

... these guys aren't getting the job done. the gameplan is ass, the gameday strategy and moving magnets is ass, and this season add some injuries and it was a complete washout

i'm a solid believer you're not meant to love your coaches... respect them and love their work. but they're not your mates, it doesn't work. it breeds comfort, and nothing great (to my knowledge in sports) is achieved from any place of comfort?


heard a lot of ex-GF-winning players talk of their love for Clarkson (as hard to believe as that might be!) and headlines would suggest at least a few dislike him and Fagan intensely to this day.

i’m told from a direct source at least one of our ‘95 brownlow vote winning players “hated” Parko, and i wouldn’t be surprised if his best mate in the team was sympathetic to his cause. didn’t mean he could be coached by parko (i don’t claim to know any of the ins and outs of the relationship)

what you’ve said is true in one sense, Braithy, coaches are there to challenge, inspire, train, discipline, organise, develop, educate, motivate, orchestrate, guide and in a word lead their players. there’s a range of different ways and styles which coaches adopt to do that.

maintaining a certain critical distance between themselves and players so they can more easily remain as objective as possible is very important. that matters from the perspective of coaches as who need to be not the ball as game day tacticians and also as long term strategic thinkers of the game plan and player development. love is blind sometimes, we don’t want that in a coach. players on the other hand can often benefit from a (sometimes unquestioning) devotion in a father/mother figure who is their coach. that’s been shown in all sports countless times. sometimes it’s literally their mum or dad who as coach makes the critical decisions on their behalf that is critical in them winning an olympic gold medal.

in team sports, not playing the poisonous game of appearing to have favorites is also important for player morale and developing a culture of honesty and account accountability.

words like mates and love become difficult when talking about leadership. these words can be vague and can also be very loaded with subjective sentiment at times. these words used casually in this context can imply favoritisme from the get go. so yes a coach, manager or leader should never aim to be “mates” with a player or “loved” by the playing group, but it would be natural for some of the players to develop those feelings towards a coach over time.

especially given the age that AFL/AFLW players are drafted at and all the life learnings that they have to go trough concurrently to being “in the system” and many of them dealing with the money and fame that comes with AFL* and the way some of them will appreciate the guidance and care a coach has for them outside the footy clinics.

i wouldn’t care if our backs or forwards loved or hated their line coaches if we made the GF this year. i expect Fagan, voted best AFL coach in 2024 is loved by many of his players and even considered a friend by the older players. the proof is in the pudding, not the cookbook.

* i don’t know what AFWL players earn, assuming for most it’s like what Robert Walls earned when he had to be a primary school teacher to make ends meet.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:05 pm 
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Hansen, Hamill & Clarke all have contracts for 2025.

I think Hansen has to go, otherwise it’s John Barker all over again. This is what you get when you hunt these perpetual aspirants. They’ll do good things for sure, but they’re not here for the club. At the end of the day, we’re just a springboard for their career. Except, the door at the top of the stairs won’t open for them. And there’s no chance they’ll head back down.

Hansen isn’t going to win a top job & he can’t carry on as ‘Senior Assistant’ here. I’ve got no doubts whatsoever that he’ll be a great assistant somewhere else.


i was considering the prospect of Hansen sacking after watching those lame ass Gatorade AFL.com commercials for the tenth time. how did he agree to that script in the “success” ad. your gonna have to do more to feel it than that buddy.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:10 pm 
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Kade Simpson is working under a senior coach who has half a clue.


where’s he at now? i thought he hadn’t made it and was back to gardening.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:15 pm 
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Dude wins second Brownlow with most votes ever, thanks his coach in his speech…

Yeah, nah, that's shit, he should hate his coach. Especially ours, because they're all rubbish.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:18 pm 
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bluebo baggers wrote:
Ash Hansen has withdrwn from the Eagles Coaching selection process, deciding to remain at Carlton as his family's preference is to stay in Melbourne.


it took his family a long time to express that view. sounds fishy to me.


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diesel95 wrote:
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Ash Hansen has withdrwn from the Eagles Coaching selection process, deciding to remain at Carlton as his family's preference is to stay in Melbourne.


it took his family a long time to express that view. sounds fishy to me.


Perhaps a bit of " don't call us , we'll call you ".

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:32 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
camel wrote:
Blue4ever wrote:
Cripps was full of praise for Clarke and indicated that he helped his game.


Yep, I thought that was good to hear. We often don't hear a lot about assistants, so getting some confirmation of positive input from Cripps in his speech was great.



i'm not sure it's good to hear? we all heard midyear what a great guy hansen is. now cripps glow up on clarke. yet, we were the worst defensive stoppage team in the comp.

... these guys aren't getting the job done. the gameplan is ass, the gameday strategy and moving magnets is ass, and this season add some injuries and it was a complete washout

i'm a solid believer you're not meant to love your coaches... respect them and love their work. but they're not your mates, it doesn't work. it breeds comfort, and nothing great (to my knowledge in sports) is achieved from any place of comfort?


You can't be the best at everything Braithy. We were the best turnover team in the AFL before injuries took their toll. That's the crucial part of the game you want to excel in.
IMHO, our coaches took us to a prelim last year and we still made finals this season despite being the 2nd most impacted team by injuries. (Not just this year but the past 5 years!)
Let's see what our coaches can do with a decent complement of players on the park. I think you'll be surprised. Happy to see Hamill get the arse (Defensive structures) but I'm still a fan of the others.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:40 pm 
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is it players or coaches? is it attitudes or skills?

a year level teacher said to me on day 0, talent alone won’t get anybody success. if there is talent, you need to work. if the work is there you need technique.

i think it’s a bit like that with this Club atm. there’s many things to like about what’s been achieved under Voss. but the wheels have come off at times. that’s in plain sight. is that due to what Cripps refers to sometimes in interviews as the Club becoming conditioned to the experience of failure and the bad habits of coping with failure? is he correct that it will take time to grow/educate our way out of that culture or is that just what you say when it’s one step forward and one step backwards (again)? there’s no question to me or the umpires that Cripps is practicing what he advocates. his game went to a new level this year.

or is it more about simply not getting the balance of our match day selections and game plan right? are our tactics to easy to counter except for the bottom 8 teams, or are we beatable by anybody if they bring the hunger and the right preparation? or are we short on talent at the second and third tiers?

i’ve considered Lions to have one of the best lists in AFL for a decade. i know that’s not contentious but i don’t know why so many say Bulldogs have the best AFL list. (and Dogs can’t seem to keep good players). but even Lions have struggled to harmonise into a formidable dynastic team. i expected them to be Pies last year and still reckon we would have beaten pies if we gone all the way to play in the GF. so we can’t be that far off it.

by same token we won’t just cruise to the next level. and Cripps is correct in saying that publicly. it won’t just happen. other teams are constantly improving and we still have a gap to close on the best, who also continue to improve.

i can’t help feeling that our assistent coaches need to be doing more to make this happen, but without being inside the club who honestly knows what is going on, outside of gossip and rumour?

that we were among the best defensive teams in AFL 3 or 4 years ago (weiters, liam jones, gov, ploughman, simpson all played last few rounds of 2020) but now approximately the worst at D50 stoppages and turnover scores against, all while having an AA KPD in Weiters and Gov improving a lot, shows we’ve gone backwards in this department. are we robbing défense to pay the new transition game? our our mids not coached well for playing close attention in the D50? i don’t know but it’s hurting us big time.

from the outside we we tactically weak on game day too often and apparently at the MC table during the week. plus Hansen sure looked like a spud in those Gatorade commercials, that’s gotta offend the footy gods.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:28 pm 
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camel wrote:
Dude wins second Brownlow with most votes ever, thanks his coach in his speech…

Yeah, nah, that's shit, he should hate his coach. Especially ours, because they're all rubbish.

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lol brownlow. does anyone actually care about that award?

or is it just me that doesn't? i care about flags tho. i care about winning and prelims and playing for the jumper.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:33 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:

You can't be the best at everything Braithy. We were the best turnover team in the AFL before injuries took their toll. That's the crucial part of the game you want to excel in.
IMHO, our coaches took us to a prelim last year and we still made finals this season despite being the 2nd most impacted team by injuries. (Not just this year but the past 5 years!)
Let's see what our coaches can do with a decent complement of players on the park. I think you'll be surprised. Happy to see Hamill get the arse (Defensive structures) but I'm still a fan of the others.



i 100% agree with you. we can't be the best at everything, but we also cannot be the worst at anything either.

i'm with you that this team isn't is bad as what i often claim it is, and it's not as good as bondi says, either.

i'd like to see some movement with a line coach or assistant, too. a new voice, a new perspective. tweak a few things and give us a different look.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:33 am 
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One would allow Voss another season , two perhaps, then it’s serious review time.
Not convinced he’s the best option, our club crawls at snail pace unfortunately, eventually it will dawn on the hierarchy.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:56 pm 
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Is it time to get on the phone to Adam Simpson and get him on board

What is becoming a trend with premiership winners is they have a senior coach and an ex senior coach on the panel
Fagan last year brought in Stuart Dew
Swans brought in Leon Cameron
Collingwood when they won had Bolton and Leppitsch
Richmond had Leppitsch
Dees when they won had Choco Williams and Roos still hanging around

Do we need that 2nd Senior coach who has the experience to work with Voss

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