And why have we bothched previous attempts at rebuilding?

Lemmeguess

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Express it

You could write a library shelf of books about this, using material from this website.

I think I have made it pretty clear over the last few weeks what I believe the solution is ... lol.

It's certainly not setting ourselves up as a feeder club.

I do however agree with you in that once we have started selling our best talent you might as well go the whole way even though I think it is fraught with danger.

We now have 2 years to make a success team ...otherwise another decade and beyond as a feeder.

Enjoy!

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

GWS is a feeder club who sell their best talent - Boyd (1), Pickett (4), Marchbank (6).

Even when they made a preliminary and ought to do better next year.

Hawthorn will have to let talent go to get O'Meara and Mitchell in. In a salary cap equalisation environment you have no choice. It's not the EPL.

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- Igor Stravinsky

Thanks for spelling it out mate. I was out of the loop on that one.

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I will always love this club, no matter what. But I ride the roller coaster like I'm in the front seat and the losses really hurt.

I don't think we're a feeder club. What the club have undertaken, is a rebuild. That needed to be a real overhaul and many people complain that it hasn't happened earlier. We could have just kept Malthouse, and kept doing the same thing as before. It didn't work.

We won't be stuck in a cycle for years. I see a lot of players are being traded/delisted that should have been moved on years earlier. Players with value, who will not be performing when we are a top 4 team, are being converted into younger players who will all develop together. I was listening to an interview with Dane Swan who was talking about their midfield and how, during their dominance, had played so many games together that he knew exactly how each of them liked to dispose of the ball, and he would know where to be for them, moments before they'd get the ball. He said last year, the Pies midfield didn't have that synergy because they hadn't played together long enough. I see us building this group now, that will develop that synergy required for sustained success. It's going to take a couple of years to see it though. And supporters will get restless.

Rather than seeing past botched attempts, I think players at the club will see a new beginning. An exciting group on the rise. Potential.

I was disenfranchised before Bolton arrived, and the club decided to 'reset'. The game seemed to be leaving us behind. I feel like we're on the right track now.

GO BLUES

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I will always love this club, no matter what. But I ride the roller coaster like I'm in the front seat and the losses really hurt.

Surely you can't compare us to GWS ... their talent is overflowing ... they have an endless supply from the AFL.

We don't have to continue as a feeder club ... you can break out of the cycle but its difficult and you have to be very lucky.
We will continue to get cherry picked ... If we can somehow bring success quickly .. then you can break the cycle ... otherwise you can wait a lifetime.

Good players don't usually want to go to or play for unsuccessful clubs ... thats just the way it is. The system sucks ... but there you go.

I hope we stop the feeder program now ... keep Gibbs.

BUT ... if it must be ... then screw Adelaide for all they have ... and then sell off other older player in the team ... go all out.

Make no mistake ... if we don't have success soon .. we will get cherry picked again and again and again. Cripps will be the next to go.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Agree with Tal - I think we are rebuilding well on our playing list in terms of rebuild under the new regime - the new regime have it seems a strategy and realistic plan to take us to the top - the frustrating part for us is really the ineptitude of the last 5 or 6 years before or more - during these years we never had a clear strategy to take us not only into the 8 but to the top - we also never took a realistic approach to our list ie how good it was

We still have a long way to go given the disastrous Malthouse years

Having a 'long way to go' is the problem.

Don't get me started on Madhouse ... he is the root cause.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Incorrect. The root cause was a dysfunctional board of self-righteous egotistical squillionares. Kernahan and Swann were a symptom of their mismanagement, and Malthouse was a flow-on symptom.

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alleluia brother

I agree with Rob & Frank. Malthouse is just one of many failures over the past 20 years. Our problems were deeply rooted before he arrived and it's only since he left that we've seen a cultural shift. Malthouse is only one in a long list of 'villains', IMO.

I just pray that Trigg, MLG, SOS & Bolts don't end up on the list too......

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

We were rooted before he arrived and we were rooted when he left.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

I've got nothing against players wanting to change clubs in the twilight of their career to earn a few extra dollars or get a longer contract. However, there seems to be an increasing number of players wanting to move clubs because they wish to experience the on field team success which has thus far eluded them, (poor darlings).

I'm getting on a bit, haven't seen a flag for 20+ years and frankly can't see one on the horizon. How would it be if I decided to apply for a supporters transfer for the same reasons? GWS look like a pretty good prospect to me, (and unlike a player I wouldn't have to relocate to Western Sydney).

Tongue-in-cheek of course, but I'm not keen on the idea of players changing teams for trivial reasons and I'm yet to hear to good for one Gibbs moving on.

Harsh but fair.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

I was thinking similarly on my walk home just now.

The "change clubs for a flag" thing. I don't really get it. If you're not a significant part of the build up then all it is is a medallion really.

On the other hand maybe Gibbs is just sick of Carlton.

Wouldn't be too hard to blame him...

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You didn't think the 'I' was worth highlighting?

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