They took Gwilt and McKernan so why the hell not!

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Koperek.

Might be as simple as delisting him before cut off date to ensure that, provided we have the cap space.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Won't the money count against the cap for all three years, though?

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Nope, one lump sum for the remainder goes against the cap. If he's cut before the TPP is finalised, it may well count against that year's cap, but I'm not certain.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

The league has also decided that clubs matching late bids for father-son and academy players will not have any owed points subtracted from their first-round pick the next year.
That was a scenario potentially facing Carlton, with father-son prospects Jack Silvagni and Bailey Rice to possibly attract second-round bids this year.
Matching both bids would have left the Blues owing points in 2016, with their first-round choice in that draft potentially sliding three or four spots down the order.
Under the revised rules, any owed points can be repaid in the round the bid for the player was placed.
For instance, if Carlton goes into deficit through matching second-round bids for Silvagni and Rice, the excess points would be subtracted from their second pick in 2016, not their first.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/f ... z3iV6hQ4Fj

Will we ever learn. Here we are trying to work out which overpriced discards we should waste our draft picks on. There will be far better players than Carlisle in next years draft, they won't be asking for $700k and they won't sulk if they don't get to play in their favourite position. How well will Carlisle go in the bombers b and f? There will be good players right through the draft, there always is, we need to be excellent at the draft. Look at what the dogs have done over the last 3-4 years.

And how does letting hendo go and replacing him with a prima donna like carlisle make any sense? For once lets try and draft well.

Whilst I agree in part firstly, I don't think we've traded any picks, or handed Carlislie a 700k contract yet so probably would hold fire until such is to occur - if at all.....

Secondly, Western Bulldogs have drafted very well but also traded away Pick #26 last year for Stuart Crameri so it's not ALL about draft, draft, draft.

They have also picked up discards from other clubs in the form of Biggs, Stevens, Hamlilng, Young and Darley. They've also added 2 mature agers in Fuller from the SANFL and Goodes from the VFL. Richmond have also done the same, but it's not discussed because - unlike us - they've used the National Draft so much better.

This is a misconception around here (think Tutt, Jones, Dick) that we are the only club that has gone down this path. The key is to make up the majority of your list through National Draft picks, and then add delisted free agents etc to fill the holes. We've just gone too far the other way, where we've relied too much on these types.

They've also lost Griffen, Cooney, Higgins, and Pick #6 in the process, so for those that will be lamenting the loss of Yarran or Henderson for example will have to understand that what they've done hasn't just happened without some calculated risks.

Thirdly, I think the idea behind Henderson/Carlislie if it was to occur is that they believe that they could get a decent pick in return and in turn pick up Carlislie cheaply (PSD maybe?). It would basically be Carlislie and Henderson pick > Henderson.

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Getting hyped up over rumour. Just relax.

Depending on the deal offered to Suckling/likelihood of Hawthorn matching it, wonder whether its worth offering something to Hawthorn not to match the deal, so it dilutes the potential compensation they receive for Leunenberger?

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Suckling wouldn't be a restricted free agent (no way top 25%). Hawks have no right to match.

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Is it top 25% earners in total amount paid or top 25% of payments counted in the TPP?

If it's the latter, he'd be a chance taking out Roughead/Mitchell/Hodge/Lewis.

....on closer inspection, can't see how he makes the top 40% of their TPP regardless.

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He's definitely an unrestricted FA.
Not sure they'd bother matching either way. Was dropped earlier in the year, and it's not like Hawthorn don't have the depth to cover him.

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Then I suppose, would Brisbane still make the offer to him knowing that it could potentially cost them pick 2/3? Surely they'd seek to do a Monfries deal?

Pity we don't have a free agent that we could offload to Brisbane. Not sure if a good deal on Kreuzer for them is worth pick 2/3, and he's worth more to us than a pick upgrade of 1 spot.

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Just a bit of fantasy land thinking.

If we were to finish last, I think the prospect of losing Kreuzer for a compensatory pick 2 would be something you could deal with as much as I love him.

With picks 1 and 2 we get our two book ends for the next 10 years (Weitering and Schache).

Then I'd do everything I could to get Carlisle in the preseason draft.

We'd then have 3 new substantial key position players to add to Levi and KJ.

If Henderson was set on heading to the cats, we would theoretically get pick 10 for him and on trade to the lions for Stefan Martin to get the mobile marking ruckman we need.

In: Weitering, Schache, Carlisle, Martin
Out: Kreuzer, Henderson, Warnock (please delist him)

There would be some short term pain associated with this but you would feel like we were on the right track at least.

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pick 10 for a 28 year old ruck for a team rebuilding?????

yeah, no

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Are there loads of quality young ruckmen floating around are there?
You'd get a good 5 years from Martin, which bridges the gap of time it takes for a young ruckman to mature.
You can always try to trade pick 20 for him but we're talking a ruckman who is averaging 20 disposals a game.
That's the equivalent of 35 Warnock seasons.

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We need somehow to add a small forward or two to our list, particularly if we are going to persist with bombing it in long to contests. Even if they aren't scoring themselves, they are generating further opportunities by helping to keep the ball alive inside 50, and by their pace, movement and game sense.

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Whilst the list should be cut the list quite deep this year, I think it is important that we stagger our picks over several years rather than just this one. To that extent, we should look to pick up some future draft picks.

Imo,
Kreuzer -> FA if he can get a decent enough contract for band 1 comp. Otherwise sign for a couple of years whilst being open to a trade at the end of next year for a 1st round pick (2016 or 2017)
Henderson -> cats 1st pick (2015). Happy to send a late pick back if it means we get that pick
yarran -> any interested club for 1st round pick (2016) + young fringe player (body to contribute with the very slim possibility that they might develop into something)
menzel -> cats 1st pick (2016) + fringe player (body to contribute with the very slim possibility that they might develop into something)

Request compo pick from AFL on basis of steep downward trajectory of performances 8th-13th-18th, 2X losses to team 17 inc 10 goal loss, crowd numbers, issues with player retention (betts, garlett, waite, kreuzer, yarran, henderson, etc)

Wouldn't actually expect compo but it might sway the kreuzer compo pick if it is borderline.

If the above goes through and we'd end up with
2015 -> 3 X 1st round picks (1, 2 & 10)
2016 -> 3 X 1st round picks (blues, yarran & menzel trades)

Given Jack & Ben are forwards, jacksch looks to more suited up forward and casboult continues to get better ->I'd lean towards a francis + weitering combo rather than having schache in there.

Re: rucks -> happy to go with stop gaps for a couple of years whilst developing a few or to poach at a later stage - would be no different to the past couple of seasons!