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Cretylus · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:39 pm

Molly wrote:

I lose track of who is on the Board. After all, I never voted for any of them.

Genuine question: when was the last time the members got a vote on the board representatives?

you're kidding right?

Do you attend AGMs?

Have you ever received the postal vote material the clubs sends when board directors are up for re-election?

Adam Chatfield · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:39 pm

The spill of board positions is promising

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8628

He's Judd's pokies investment mate

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17210

Cretylus wrote:

Molly wrote:

I lose track of who is on the Board. After all, I never voted for any of them.

Genuine question: when was the last time the members got a vote on the board representatives?

you're kidding right?

Do you attend AGMs?

Have you ever received the postal vote material the clubs sends when board directors are up for re-election?

Cretylus - you're horribly out of touch... Have you been hiding in Abbottobad? Most of the current board members weren't voted onto the board - they were placed onto the board. Democracy died years ago at Carlton. Probably around the time Ralph Carr paid for a seat.

Molly · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:49 pm

Cretylus wrote:

Molly wrote:

I lose track of who is on the Board. After all, I never voted for any of them.

Genuine question: when was the last time the members got a vote on the board representatives?

you're kidding right?

Do you attend AGMs?

Have you ever received the postal vote material the clubs sends when board directors are up for re-election?

The board took away my membership voting rights Cretylus

Effes · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:13 pm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 6884277908

Quote:

You would love to say its unbecoming, but we are talking Carlton.

There you go

grrofunger · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:19 pm

Effes wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carltons-embattled-leadership-group-deserves-better-so-stay-out-of-the-blue-bruce-mathieson/story-fni5f0at-1226884277908

Quote:

You would love to say its unbecoming, but we are talking Carlton...........@#$%&! the rest !

There you go

EFA

CK95 · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:23 pm

I don't know much about Mark LoadedDice...but sounds same old same old to me

bigfella · **Joined:** Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:50 pm **Posts:** 279

Can someone with more knowledge on these matters than me answer these questions:

1. Why was Fahour unable to get the numbers to become President?
2. Why was Newton deemed "inappropriate" per Caro's article?
3. What does LoGiudice bring to the table other than an apparent closeness with the Pratts and Mathiesons?

camel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:50 pm

I don't mind Robbo sometimes, but while he is dribbling through another meaningless emotional rant Caro is doing her job. Y'know, that of a journalist.

Manchego Cheese · **Joined:** Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:56 am **Posts:** 135

camelboy wrote:

I don't mind Robbo sometimes, but while he is dribbling through another meaningless emotional rant Caro is doing her job. Y'know, that of a journalist.

I don't know how best to relate my image of Robbo's living arrangements, but its fair to say it's less than flattering. He kind of looks like he sleeps in the back of a Holden station wagon half the time, surrounded by a generously populated graveyard of Big Mac wrappers, tins of Light Ice (because he's watching his figure) and ransacked cigarette packets.

kennyhunter · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm **Posts:** 2432

camelboy wrote:

I don't mind Robbo sometimes, but while he is dribbling through another meaningless emotional rant Caro is doing her job. Y'know, that of a journalist.

Couldn't have put it better, Camel ... :grin:

Gab · **Joined:** Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:42 pm **Posts:** 283

Dominator_7 wrote:

Quote:

External forces have not ruled out challenging towards the end of the season with famous Carlton names such as Tom Elliott and Fraser Brown among those who could be part of a push for a total spill of positions.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... z2yrLveoEG

Hope this challenge transpires!!

Hope is all we have left really.

This club is desperately in need of change in so many areas. Nothing i have seen from anyone associated with the board inspires me with confidence that they recognise that fact or have any intention of driving anything more than cosmetic changes.

The club needs to change its direction and i can't see this happening with the incumbents remaining in power and just shuffling a few titles.

There needs to be a spill of the board and ALL members afforded a say in the future direction of the club.

It's time the club became accountable.

Mosquito Fleet · **Joined:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm **Posts:** 2477

visy are using elliott to try and control the board

wont happen...

camel · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:43 am

Manchego Cheese wrote:

camelboy wrote:

I don't mind Robbo sometimes, but while he is dribbling through another meaningless emotional rant Caro is doing her job. Y'know, that of a journalist.

I don't know how best to relate my image of Robbo's living arrangements, but its fair to say it's less than flattering. He kind of looks like he sleeps in the back of a Holden station wagon half the time, surrounded by a generously populated graveyard of Big Mac wrappers, tins of Light Ice (because he's watching his figure) and ransacked cigarette packets.

Don't forget his dog! :razz:

camel · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:00 am

I said this in that skanky Scouser thread, but it may bear repeating here and if not, too bad!

I like Steve Kernahan the player. I love Kernahan the player! I really, really dislike Kernahan the administrator. He lacks everything he gave us on the field. Actually, that's not true. Kernahan the administrator is one big helicopter punt. But not the one that went through against North, the one that missed the lot against Essendon*.

azza? · **Joined:** Wed May 30, 2007 11:10 am **Posts:** 1084

camelboy wrote:

I said this in that skanky Scouser thread, but it may bear repeating here and if not, too bad!

I like Steve Kernahan the player. I love Kernahan the player! I really, really dislike Kernahan the administrator. He lacks everything he gave us on the field. Actually, that's not true. Kernahan the administrator is one big helicopter punt. But not the one that went through against North, the one that missed the lot against Essendon**.

Best description ever!

Manchego Cheese · **Joined:** Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:56 am **Posts:** 135

A concern for me is the reactionary nature of this reportedly soon to be occurring clean-out.

Robbo was talking about Swann being gone at next week's board meeting. Why, because the fans are pointing the finger at him? His performance has been the same long before the last few weeks.

I think it'd be remiss of us or anyone to say he's not done a good job at the Carlton Football Club. From where we were when he took over to where we are now is night and day - at least off field. His achievements are commendable, but every road reaches a junction eventually. He's taken the Club as far as he is able to.

It's like the last days of Rome. Those in power can feel it slipping and are desperately holding on to authority that carries less weight, relevance or respect with each passing minute. They're performing deeds that reek of self preservation and pandering; actions undertaken only to get those that are on their backs either on side or off their trail for a brief time.

So Swann goes and is scapegoated in place of them. Seems about right.

I'm not sure what our debt sits at, but as I said in a thread a few days ago these 'powerful' families treating the club as something between a status symbol and a play-thing are no good to us unless they eradicate it. They won't, because if they were going to it would already have happened.

I used the term "shit or get off the pot." Pay the debt off, be of some purposeful and positive consequence, or GTFO.

Now, I've a theory they don't pay off the debt because should they do so the shadow they cast over the club would shorten.

I mean, seriously. There are billionaires out there that support this club. Some of them sit on the board. If you're going to gatecrash the board and carry on like you're an integral part of the process, at least do the one thing that would genuinely help. Open up your web banker and perform a funds transfer. Little more old school? No problems, write us a cheque. More back alley? A garbage bag stuffed with 50s will suffice.

We need to sack the place and burn it to the ground, removing all remnants of the Pratt's and Mathieson's and start fresh. No more puppet masters. No more friends and family on the board. No more misguided notion their presence is essential to the prosperity of the club.

They've had long enough in their positions without providing the success they said they would.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:15 pm

Manchego Cheese wrote:

A concern for me is the reactionary nature of this reportedly soon to be occurring clean-out.

Robbo was talking about Swann being gone at next week's board meeting. Why, because the fans are pointing the finger at him? His performance has been the same long before the last few weeks.

I think it'd be remiss of us or anyone to say he's not done a good job at the Carlton Football Club. From where we were when he took over to where we are now is night and day - at least off field. His achievements are commendable, but every road reaches a junction eventually. He's taken the Club as far as he is able to.

It's like the last days of Rome. Those in power can feel it slipping and are desperately holding on to authority that carries less weight, relevance or respect with each passing minute. They're performing deeds that reek of self preservation and pandering; actions undertaken only to get those that are on their backs either on side or off their trail for a brief time.

So Swann goes and is scapegoated in place of them. Seems about right.

I'm not sure what our debt sits at, but as I said in a thread a few days ago these 'powerful' families treating the club as something between a status symbol and a play-thing are no good to us unless they eradicate it. They won't, because if they were going to it would already have happened.

I used the term "shit or get off the pot." Pay the debt off, be of some purposeful and positive consequence, or GTFO.

Now, I've a theory they don't pay off the debt because should they do so the shadow they cast over the club would shorten.

I mean, seriously. There are billionaires out there that support this club. Some of them sit on the board. If you're going to gatecrash the board and carry on like you're an integral part of the process, at least do the one thing that would genuinely help. Open up your web banker and perform a funds transfer. Little more old school? No problems, write us a cheque. More back alley? A garbage bag stuffed with 50s will suffice.

We need to sack the place and burn it to the ground, removing all remnants of the Pratt's and Mathieson's and start fresh. No more puppet masters. No more friends and family on the board. No more misguided notion their presence is essential to the prosperity of the club.

They've had long enough in their positions without providing the success they said they would.

Pretty much.

Why buy a club when you can control it through the drip feeding the debt.

Gets you seats on the board and once on the board this allows you to then also make sure nobody does anything stupid like find ways to pay off the debt.

They present themselves as benefactors when, in fact, they are te worst kind of corporate leech.

Heavs · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:23 pm

Once you accept that it's a privately owned team (in all but name) and your membership is nothing more than a guaranteed admission to home games then you sleep a lot easier.

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