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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:35 pm 
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Couldn't care less about Hammer.

That Sydney final should have convinced the hierarchy that Jacobs was the keeper and the other pieces should have fit around him. But hey - it's Carlton.

To be fair, Carlton didnt want to lose Jacobs and he was offered a new contract.
Adelaide offered him more and that was that.
Just stupid list management that we went out and wasted a top 20 pick on Hampson and paid overs for Warnock while we had the best one of all of them in Jacobs on our list.
Jacobs came as a rookie too and we blew it. We all said at the time that this would come back to bite us.

Don't you find it wonderful that Jacobs can play for a good team ?that it's also his home town etc?
Just fairy-tale stuff imho

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:38 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
Couldn't care less about Hammer.

That Sydney final should have convinced the hierarchy that Jacobs was the keeper and the other pieces should have fit around him. But hey - it's Carlton.


Exactly.

Still can't believe we didn't sign him up for a long time after that game. FMD

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:46 pm 
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I dont like the fact that with Hendo and Yarran gone, and Carrots going to umpiring, it looks like there's more ex Carltonians than current. There's a thread for you.

Not only was there Jacobs and Bettsy vs Grigg and Hampson, there was also an acting Coach (Campo), and Coaching Director (Worsfold) and even an umpire (Banno). Then there's physios, bio-mech, masseurs etc....

I tell you there's more ex Carltonians out there than amongst us.

Carlton stopped being a centre of excellence after 1995.
1999-2001 we were riding on the coat tails of great from 1995.
When they were gone, Campo being one of the last with Ratts, it was all over from there.

Have to learn from that.
We should build teams and I hope it doesnt mean losing quality of Hendo and Yaz.
I dont mind losing the peripheral players like we use to in the days StKilda took them...not the stars,

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:58 pm 
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So true absolutely ridiculous this state of affairs, we've lost so much talent in the few years.
Add to above, Jeffy Garlett, Wait, Robbo and Laidler all contributing in a positive way to their new clubs.
We must not lose any more quality players and it's worrying that Yarran, Menzel and Hendo seem to have lost their way.
The Board has to set out definitive parameters to nurture a positive team culture , develop excellence and strong aptitude. There's no more time to lose. Overhaul footy operations , Hopefully a strong coach that can mentor and inspire the lads and lead us out of the shit.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:10 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
Couldn't care less about Hammer.

That Sydney final should have convinced the hierarchy that Jacobs was the keeper and the other pieces should have fit around him. But hey - it's Carlton.

To be fair, Carlton didnt want to lose Jacobs and he was offered a new contract.
Adelaide offered him more and that was that.
Just stupid list management that we went out and wasted a top 20 pick on Hampson and paid overs for Warnock while we had the best one of all of them in Jacobs on our list.
Jacobs came as a rookie too and we blew it. We all said at the time that this would come back to bite us.


Very true, Kezza.

Drafting Hampson, ugh. The Hughes super draft of Grigg and Hampson back to back. My god, Carlton is so bad at so much of football.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:15 pm 
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Pretty ordinary draft that one all round. Although if we were looking for a Ruck, Goldstein at #37 might have been a better option than Hammer!

Even then hard to say, as Goldstein was an ordinary junior who didn't take it seriously until late in his teens and preferred Basketball at an early age.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:57 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
Couldn't care less about Hammer.

That Sydney final should have convinced the hierarchy that Jacobs was the keeper and the other pieces should have fit around him. But hey - it's Carlton.


Exactly.

Still can't believe we didn't sign him up for a long time after that game. FMD



How were we meant to sign him after that game if he left that trade period? Why would he have signed 3 weeks before he eventually left? It's not like he had decided to leave in the first week of october.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:20 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
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Jacobs wanted to go home.


Coz he wasnt getting a go.


I played golf with Jacobs at a Spirit of Carlton golf day. He was getting plenty of game time at the time.
I asked him about his long term future and he said he loved the boys at Carlton but hated living in Melbourne.
Some players put family life before footy. Some on our list have done exactly the same. Swings and roundabouts.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:37 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
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Jacobs wanted to go home.


Coz he wasnt getting a go.


I played golf with Jacobs at a Spirit of Carlton golf day. He was getting plenty of game time at the time.
I asked him about his long term future and he said he loved the boys at Carlton but hated living in Melbourne.
Some players put family life before footy. Some on our list have done exactly the same. Swings and roundabouts.



and it's not a stretch to say, being content living back in adelaide surrounded by family & childhood friends, has taken his game to a level it would never have reached in melbourne.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:07 am 
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emtwenty wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
Couldn't care less about Hammer.

That Sydney final should have convinced the hierarchy that Jacobs was the keeper and the other pieces should have fit around him. But hey - it's Carlton.


Exactly.

Still can't believe we didn't sign him up for a long time after that game. FMD



How were we meant to sign him after that game if he left that trade period? Why would he have signed 3 weeks before he eventually left? It's not like he had decided to leave in the first week of october.


What a strange comment. Players haven't signed new contracts with their current club on the eve of trading period before?

If he was absolutely determined to live in Adelaide, fair enough. As BV said, we've benefited from that factor ourselves.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:51 am 
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Punter22 wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
Couldn't care less about Hammer.

That Sydney final should have convinced the hierarchy that Jacobs was the keeper and the other pieces should have fit around him. But hey - it's Carlton.


Exactly.

Still can't believe we didn't sign him up for a long time after that game. FMD



How were we meant to sign him after that game if he left that trade period? Why would he have signed 3 weeks before he eventually left? It's not like he had decided to leave in the first week of october.


What a strange comment. Players haven't signed new contracts with their current club on the eve of trading period before?

If he was absolutely determined to live in Adelaide, fair enough. As BV said, we've benefited from that factor ourselves.

I'm no doubting he did want to live in Adelaide. But the question I ask is Why?

Who on earth would choose to live there

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:52 pm 
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/sun ... 7475480016

Says we want Josh Walker because Jones is a dud.


That might just end my loyalty.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:20 pm 
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surely even we wouldn't be after Walker from Geelong. How many VFL standard players do we think we need! Draft! No discards and no overpaid injury riddled free agents!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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We can never have enough duds from other clubs.. someone has to hold up the ladder.

Playing the seconds at old club... check
Have patchy history at senior level... check
Said player hasn't come on at the old club... So the only way is up 'eh... he could offer us something.. maybe some depth... can't have enough depth.
Depth is important for when we get injuries to all our front liners...

.............oh wait.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:43 pm 
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Is it possible to renegotiate player contracts in the AFL?

For example, Liam Jones has a three-year contract. Can we renegotiate it down to two, pay him more money next year and not have to take the cap hit in the third year?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Blues2005 wrote:
Is it possible to renegotiate player contracts in the AFL?

For example, Liam Jones has a three-year contract. Can we renegotiate it down to two, pay him more money next year and not have to take the cap hit in the third year?


Just another master stroke decision that we have to live with.

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Reckon bummers might be desperate enough to take him off our hands next year.

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