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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:14 pm 
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Lucas isn't going anywhere. If MM was going to trade him, I don't reckon he's have played every game this year he's been available for. You've been reading too much of Synbad's poison.
I reckon Simmo would get us nothing as a trade. And he's a great servnt of the cluib and will play out his days here.
Warnock I agree with. Collinbgwood will be interested in him or HAmpson
Scotland will never be delisted. He'll go in his own time.
Curnow is currently one of our best run with players so I imagine he'll be around for a while.
The rest I pretty much agree with.


Last night on fox, the guys on the couch highlighted a passage of play during the 3rd quarter that
cost us a goal.IF you get a chance, please watch it again but be sure to have a bucket on hand as your very likely to get sick watching it. Its the goal at about 8.30 remaining on the clock (Walker looses a one on one in the square resulting in a goal).

If you look at the passage of play again, watch LUCAS. He drops the ball inside forward 50, which can happen to any player but
happened to Lucas because the heat was on and he had a quick look at what was approaching. But, more importantly, watch his effort when he falls to his knees trying to recover the ball unopposed and S**** himself thinking he is about to get front on contact.He ducks his head to an imaginary defender and doesn't get close to the ball. He got scared of the footsteps.
Than, his half heated effort to get up and chase is the icing on the cake. The ball rebounds and it results in a goal at the other end.

I said at the time it was a momentum killer.Lucas is a momentum killer.He was responsible for the same thing against the dons the week before.Most hanged him for the missed goal 5 meters in front against the dons, but a passage of play 3 minutes before that was the momentum killer.

I find it very hard to believe that a hard nosed coach like MM is going to put up with that type of horse shit for any longer than needs be.
I am certain MM didnt miss the incident in the 3rd term on Friday night.
I wouldn't be so sure with your assertion that that "Lucas isnt going anywhere".

I haven't watched the replay yet but I probably will.
I'll look out for that passage.
My guess is that MM has played him every week so far apart from when he was injured for a week or two. My assertion is based on that by and large.

Watched it.
This is what I saw without blinkers on.

1. Lucas pushes off his man and gets a yard of space.
2. He moves to his left to receive a handball which is slightly off target which goes to his right shoulder while he is still moving left. Fumbles it
3. Goes to recover. Is pushed off by his man and falls forward, protecting his head with his arms from an oncoming Hawks player. The ball is behind him at this stage.
4. The Hawks player avoids contact by which time the play has moved on.


OK. He fumbled it. It was nowhere near the worst fumble for the night and there were three other plays that followed it before the goal resulted.
Garlett went to ground.
Jamo beaten by Franklin and Hodge runs free of his man and kicks to the square where Walker gets outmarked from an impossible position.

Now here are two for you to watch.

3rd quarter 12:50. Lucas outbodies Burgoyne, gets the footy and passes 45 metres to Waite who doesn't mark. According to Tom Harley it is an outstanding piece of play.

4th quarter 17:09. Lucas receives the footy knowing he is about to be hit. He takes the ball cleanly, dodges the Hawks player and executes a difficult handball to Scotland who runs on. According to the commentators, another outstanding play.

OK, he made some mistakes but he also did pretty well.

You might at least acknowledge that he did some good stuff as well. But he is the current whipping boy now Russell has gone.

BTW, Gibbs shirked his first contest for the night but had a great game until he fumbled with a minute or so to go. It was a much worse one than Lucas's.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:21 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
daggs001 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Lucas isn't going anywhere. If MM was going to trade him, I don't reckon he's have played every game this year he's been available for. You've been reading too much of Synbad's poison.
I reckon Simmo would get us nothing as a trade. And he's a great servnt of the cluib and will play out his days here.
Warnock I agree with. Collinbgwood will be interested in him or HAmpson
Scotland will never be delisted. He'll go in his own time.
Curnow is currently one of our best run with players so I imagine he'll be around for a while.
The rest I pretty much agree with.


Last night on fox, the guys on the couch highlighted a passage of play during the 3rd quarter that
cost us a goal.IF you get a chance, please watch it again but be sure to have a bucket on hand as your very likely to get sick watching it. Its the goal at about 8.30 remaining on the clock (Walker looses a one on one in the square resulting in a goal).

If you look at the passage of play again, watch LUCAS. He drops the ball inside forward 50, which can happen to any player but
happened to Lucas because the heat was on and he had a quick look at what was approaching. But, more importantly, watch his effort when he falls to his knees trying to recover the ball unopposed and S**** himself thinking he is about to get front on contact.He ducks his head to an imaginary defender and doesn't get close to the ball. He got scared of the footsteps.
Than, his half heated effort to get up and chase is the icing on the cake. The ball rebounds and it results in a goal at the other end.

I said at the time it was a momentum killer.Lucas is a momentum killer.He was responsible for the same thing against the dons the week before.Most hanged him for the missed goal 5 meters in front against the dons, but a passage of play 3 minutes before that was the momentum killer.

I find it very hard to believe that a hard nosed coach like MM is going to put up with that type of horse shit for any longer than needs be.
I am certain MM didnt miss the incident in the 3rd term on Friday night.
I wouldn't be so sure with your assertion that that "Lucas isnt going anywhere".

I haven't watched the replay yet but I probably will.
I'll look out for that passage.
My guess is that MM has played him every week so far apart from when he was injured for a week or two. My assertion is based on that by and large.

Watched it.
This is what I saw without blinkers on.

1. Lucas pushes off his man and gets a yard of space.
2. He moves to his left to receive a handball which is slightly off target which goes to his right shoulder while he is still moving left. Fumbles it
3. Goes to recover. Is pushed off by his man and falls forward, protecting his head with his arms from an oncoming Hawks player. The ball is behind him at this stage.
4. The Hawks player avoids contact by which time the play has moved on.


OK. He fumbled it. It was nowhere near the worst fumble for the night and there were three other plays that followed it before the goal resulted.
Garlett went to ground.
Jamo beaten by Franklin and Hodge runs free of his man and kicks to the square where Walker gets outmarked from an impossible position.

Now here are two for you to watch.

3rd quarter 12:50. Lucas outbodies Burgoyne, gets the footy and passes 45 metres to Waite who doesn't mark. According to Tom Harley it is an outstanding piece of play.

4th quarter 17:09. Lucas receives the footy knowing he is about to be hit. He takes the ball cleanly, dodges the Hawks player and executes a difficult handball to Scotland who runs on. According to the commentators, another outstanding play.

OK, he made some mistakes but he also did pretty well.

You might at least acknowledge that he did some good stuff as well. But he is the current whipping boy now Russell has gone.

BTW, Gibbs shirked his first contest for the night but had a great game until he fumbled with a minute or so to go. It was a much worse one than Lucas's.


Rowes fumble in that play looked pretty ordinary as well.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:23 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Give it a rest about lucas - I remember people suggested in the past that braddles was soft and so was campo both played in great carlton sides both were top players in their time- dont think lucas is soft and anyone who saw last weeks game cant believe the crap that players playing that game are soft - give the guy a go obviously he isnt a mitch robinson but do we need a team of them or do we need a combination of skills and attributes


The post above about Lucas the momentum killer is true.

Lucas must iron out the "footsteps between his ears " and HTFU. Not being a slur on Lucas, its just a fact. He has to iron that out. The game is different to the head hunting game Baddles and Campo played in.

I think Lucas' outside pace is invaluable and will be great for us in the future as it is week in week out in many passages of play.

The big quetion is whether MM can get in between Lucas' ears and just that weakness in his game. I think he can.....just take him to the races and get him to learn to like the sound of galloping feet....do sometning to help him can only benefit the club.

As a club under Ratts development of our players has not been high on the agenda...thank god he's gone, because he did have something to work with in Lucas....instead Lucas was just anoth neglected player who was left to rot and fend for himself as with most young players.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:26 pm 
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Rowes fumble in that play looked pretty ordinary as well.


Not wrong...now there's a crap player below the knees.

And have you watched him sprint.

I reckon it would be funny to call a race between Rowe, Mitchell, Duigan and Watson. :lol:

AFL players :lol:

We need to cull 'em....unless someone can turn Watsons footy world a full 360.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:16 pm 
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I want to see a big preseason from the following players.( Bell,lucas,mitchell, Bootsma,White,Casbolt) this group must get bigger ,stronger,and fitter and alot more running.How would our list look now if this occurs ?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:33 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:37 pm 
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Watson needs to take a leaf out of Brock McLean's book.
He completely transformed the shape of his body to keep up to date with the game.
He turned his size into lean muscle and increased his agility and ability to run.

Watson has bulk in spades and really should be looking to change his body shape in order to minimize his weaknesses and give himself a chance.

I'm surprised the club hasn't already gotten him on this path as his kicking is such a lethal weapon and we invested so heavily in him. If he doesn't he will continue to be the soft incredibly slow plodder we all see before us and will be delisted within the next year or so.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:43 pm 
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Can watson be our nick maxwell ,harry taylor type just imagine 50 m passes into our fwd line or it lands in the goalsq.We need to get smarter with the individuals talents over to the coaching panel now.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:45 am 
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So, we have identified we have soft players?!
Lucas is soft, this has been obvious from his first game. They can't all be Robbo's...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:35 am 
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marciblue wrote:
So, we have identified we have soft players?!
Lucas is soft, this has been obvious from his first game. They can't all be Robbo's...


:thanks:
You need a blend of every type of player within your team to win a premiership.
Lucas has attributes we or more importantly others lack and we need.
Watson does too but we just need to figure out how to bring that in, if possible.
Move on for goodness sake and support our young kids.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:09 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
marciblue wrote:
So, we have identified we have soft players?!
Lucas is soft, this has been obvious from his first game. They can't all be Robbo's...


:thanks:
You need a blend of every type of player within your team to win a premiership.
Lucas has attributes we or more importantly others lack and we need.
Watson does too but we just need to figure out how to bring that in, if possible.
Move on for goodness sake and support our young kids.


You can't bring 'attributes' to a club if what is contained in the entire package makes it prohibitive. I'm fine with persevering with Lucas but if we are bringing players to the club based on only one or two attributes then we are just wasting time and draft picks.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:33 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
marciblue wrote:
So, we have identified we have soft players?!
Lucas is soft, this has been obvious from his first game. They can't all be Robbo's...


:thanks:
You need a blend of every type of player within your team to win a premiership.
Lucas has attributes we or more importantly others lack and we need.
Watson does too but we just need to figure out how to bring that in, if possible.
Move on for goodness sake and support our young kids.

yeah we have to work out how we can fit in guys that are gutless and cant kick... and guys that are slow and cant run.. turn....or touch their toes...

you do realise why watson is played on the last line of defence dont you???(were talking ressies)

ill give u a clue.. cos he cant turn and playing him with te whole ground ahead of him is more desirable than the game being played all around him

if you think mm can organise gameplans orbiting around these guys long term you must truly think malthouse can work miracles... :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:05 am 
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dane wrote:
Watson
Collins
McCarthy
Davies
Duigan
Joesph

Certainties.


Why are McCarthy & Watson certainties to go but Mitchell isn't?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:32 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
dane wrote:
Watson
Collins
McCarthy
Davies
Duigan
Joesph

Certainties.


Why are McCarthy & Watson certainties to go but Mitchell isn't?


Mitchell saved by the injury excuse?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:43 pm 
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So GWS have officially put pick 1 on the table.

Do we have anything that may tempt them?

Warnock,Laidler and our 2nd or 3rd rounder?????
Would fill a couple of needs for them, and we could get Boyd

I'm dreaming aren't i ?? :yikes:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:37 pm 
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I hate to say it Mark, but yes. Would be a nice dream though.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:14 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
dane wrote:
Watson
Collins
McCarthy
Davies
Duigan
Joesph

Certainties.


Why are McCarthy & Watson certainties to go but Mitchell isn't?


Has showed something.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:55 am 
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dane wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
dane wrote:
Watson
Collins
McCarthy
Davies
Duigan
Joesph

Certainties.


Why are McCarthy & Watson certainties to go but Mitchell isn't?


Has showed something.


..at senior level, has shown less than Watto.. ..from what i've read regarding ressie's form, hasnt shown much there either.. ..is injury prone, sounds to be 1 dimensional hit up FF type, doesnt have electric pace to burn off opponent.. ..isnt a contested marking machine, doesnt have a long accurate kick..

..is given more leeway due to desperation for a young kpf, any, to show something.. ..please..

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:56 am 
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Mark J wrote:
So GWS have officially put pick 1 on the table.

Do we have anything that may tempt them?

Warnock,Laidler and our 2nd or 3rd rounder?????
Would fill a couple of needs for them, and we could get Boyd

I'm dreaming aren't i ?? :yikes:


..of course they have, but it's a loaded situation.... ..what they'd want for the pick is most certainly overs.. ..if i were in their shoes, it'd have to be something fierce for me to trade out pick 1..

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