Blowing the place up

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

I agree with this. Who knows what the exact deal will be, but can't see us downgrading pick 5 anymore. Although it's a pity to be losing Gibbs, and it'll make it a little harder in the short term. I think it's actually best for the club in terms of list rebuild. Kind of like what St Kilda did with Goddard, Dal Santo and McEvoy.

Also nice to see Gibbs potentially leaving on such good terms with the club (unlike some others in the past). Great that if he's going to go, he'll need to leave on our terms. Don't know if the club had any role in this, but if so, it's been very well handled by those in power.

I have no inside info at all, but the tone of Carlton's 'Club Statement' didn't seem like they initiated this idea at all. The fact that we first heard about it from Adelaide, would also suggest this. In my opinion, Carlton don't seem overly impressed about his decision. Either that, or they finally realise that there is an art to the trade period that they haven't really understood in the past (think about the Robinson trade, and the Garlett trade). I still can't believe we managed to land a first rounder for Henderson, considering how he left. Even suggested resistance to any proposed Gibbs departure will increase his value.

On another matter, I was crunching the numbers, and we could also work our way up the draft order if we trade our pick #23 + #48 for GWS pick #17. We go up 5 places in the draft and GWS get close to an extra 100 points for their academy picks. I like the idea of grabbing Josh Battle with pick #17. Sounds like another forward that'd develop with the likes of McKay, Curnow, and Silvagni.

I'm worried about what we're hearing about Zach Tuohy. If he has nominated Geelong as his preferred destination, I'm wondering how we can turn this into a win. North's best pick in the vicinity was pick #29. Geelong would only have pick #35 but I expect they'll be looking for a straight swap of Motlop.

We really lack that small forward x-factor type who can provide a little run through the midfield. I'm just concerned about his passion for the game/contest. I was one who was relieved when we traded Yarran, Menzel, and Henderson. They either lacked that fanatical approach to the game, or had fallen out of love with the club. I'd be really reluctant to bring someone in that might fit that mould.

Does anyone know what the story is with Motlop? and if that's a fail, what do you all think we should get for Tuohy?

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I will always love this club, no matter what. But I ride the roller coaster like I'm in the front seat and the losses really hurt.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Cats have been generally realistic trading partners, we did extremely well out of trading Hendo. It's hard to see what they could give us this time though. No first rounders to trade after last year. They'd be reluctant to give up any young talent given they took themselves out of 2015/16 drafts. 35 is not enough for Tuohy, I'd want something low 20's at worst. Maybe a 3 way trade if someone else is interested in Motlop at that price? And how they'll get Deledio as well will be interesting.

Weren't Richmond into Motlop. How about Tuohy to the Cats, Motlop to Richmond and Richmonds 2nd round pick to us?

Given Tuohy's played the last 90 games consecutively , 7th in B&F this year, 3rd last year plus he got into the coaches AA team, I'd say nothing less than top 20.

The worry for me is that first he really wanted to go to Nth, now it's Geelong. Starting to sound like anywhere but Carlton. (No idea why this would be the case, unless it simply comes down to money).

Tigers not interested in Motlop.

Could we then trade #17 and whatever we get for Tuohey on to another club that needs points, and get a better position in the first round?

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

I think we need a mature mid to cover for Gibbs and help Cripps.

Rockliff...?

Avoid a train wreck blues. Trading Gibbs for effectively Marchbank and Steak knives is not a great deal.
Gibbs is worth 2 picks in the teens and we should keep both
Thouy is worth a pick between 17 & 20. Coaches have him in their best 22. If we have to we should trade the Thouy pick for Marchbank and Steak knives say Stewart. Then pick one of the other GWS steak knives as a DFA.

We then could end up with pick 5 + 2 other picks inside 20 + Marchbank + Stewart and Horvat.
and a bottom four finish next year. Our Midfield looks like Cripps, Murphy, Horvat, Curnow, Kerridge

That should scare the shit out of no one

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

would still rather have john, paul, George and ringo!!

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one you knock back is one you never have

I guess we'll have the cash to pay out Thomas a year early

Gibbs for pick #13 does seem a little light but he's definately not worth two picks in the teens. I wish he was, but I don't think opposition teams will think so. It's a compelling argument when you consider that Jed Anderson went to North for pick #15 (plus pick exchanges), Tom Bell to Brisbane for pick #21, Jake Carlisle for Pick #5 and pick #24....where do we stop. But then you consider that Patrick Dangerfield went to Geelong for pick #9 and pick #28....Gibbs is no Dangerfield.

I think ultimately, like a used car, his value will be determined by what we can convince the customer he is actually worth, and how desperate they are to get him.

The reality check is that I agree that Tuohy is worth 17-20. But if that's true, how can Gibbs only be worth only pick #13. So it really comes back to what the clubs have to offer, and what they are willing to offer. But I don't think we'll get Pick #17-#20 either. If we can use the Tuohy pick to get Marchbank and Stewart, I'd be damn happy. I just don't see it happening. Then again, I didn't see us getting #21 for Bell, or future 1st Rounder for Henderson. Anything is possible.

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I will always love this club, no matter what. But I ride the roller coaster like I'm in the front seat and the losses really hurt.

We are a feeder club ... sit back and relax for the next decade.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Disagree. I've read on here that Hrovat will be better than Gibbs in 2.5 games, thus we are marginally ahead of 2016 with more input from Murphy. Plus there will be another Curnow in the midfield from mid year 2017.

Reported that the blues are furious at what has happened.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Look, who knows. Maybe it's all a work with Carlton & Adelaide having this planned out for weeks.....

gibbs is not worth 2 1st rd picks

get a grip