I don’t see it myself. If he can’t coach then whats the point?

it just gives us the illusion of stability. media and external pressure if we sack another coach would be unbearable.

Would it be worse than what is happening?

i honestly don't know at this point, des. we're one degree of separation from a full blown meltdown & rebuild of sorts, and one degree from a gf appearance and flag.

i think walsh's health and subsequent form is what determines the direction we're going in, more than voss staying/ going.

healthy walsh, cripps and tdk is as good as anything getting around right now.

What? Being out of the 8 on percentage with 17 players on our injury list? We've lost more games to injury this season than anyone apart from Richmond, who are 18th.
Anyone who doesn't believe injuries have a massive impact is kidding themselves.

Voss was never going to be a tactical master. He is a leader. Same as McRae who is the current premiership coach, and the same as Chris Fagan who is coaching the form team in the competition. They're club leaders who surround themselves with astute tacticians.
Talk of moving on Voss is crazy. The only reason I'd see it as a possibility is if he has overridden the S&C staff which has resulted in our current atrocious injury toll. Whoever is responsible there should be marched out the door.
Players wont hang around and give their most to a club that mismanages their injuries.

As for the McGovern/Kemp blow up on the weekend, I'm the last one to back up McGovern because I thought he was terrible on Sunday. But he was trying to pick up 2 opponents and he called Kemp back twice to man up. I'm [REDACTED] if I know what Kemp was doing but he refused to push back and hung McGovern out to dry. You'll quickly lose the respect of your team mates pulling shit like that.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

i guess everyone wants a sam mitchell or kingsley or even to an extent a bevo or clarkson driving their bus. a leader and a tactician. knows how they are going to play and the cattle required for the job, so they draft that and put it all together.

Nice….

at least you doused your own enthusiasm…!


kindest regards tommi

_________________
that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

Out of the 8 is 9th. That’s not what we should accept.

As for injuries, other teams have had them and dealt with them. Sunday being the exception, we’ve had enough talent to win.

I have zero confidence Voss can turn this around.

It’s time he’s accountable

We are way too dependent on our super talented stars. When they’re firing, we can score heavily.
But imagine if we had a great forward setup and strategy too?

I do agree that our game plan is lacking in defence too and also our midfielders bear a fair bit of responsibility for how the ball is delivered forward.

I don’t think anyone escapes scrutiny.
We struggle to get the ball out of defence, we struggle to deliver into the forward line, and the forward line doesn’t seem to be operating cohesively. And our intensity is too variable.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ash Hansen has withdrwn from the Eagles Coaching selection process, deciding to remain at Carlton as his family's preference is to stay in Melbourne.

_________________
I'm shocked to be sitting here

With an attitude like that he aint senior coaching material . If you were fair dinkum and had ambition you would stop at nothing . Piss weak I reckon .

_________________
All my dangerous friends

if hansen is here next year, are we in deep shit part 2?

just thinking about BV's last post ...

some of our stats are alarming. among the worst in defensive score allowed, worst foot efficiency leaving D50 and entering F50. ball movement is 3rd worst. worst defensive stoppage team in the comp.

these are damning on the coaching staff, imo

About right, Mick… on the surface, at least.

Cox, Carr & Graham also shouldering arms raises a few eyebrows. Plus, the job was as good as Hansen’s last year. If he wanted it, or they wanted him, it would’ve happened then.

_________________
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

but does the talent have the desire? i dont see the hunger and desperation this year that we saw last year. ever since the rebuild and murphy and gibbs, imo, seemed to accept mediocrity, the club has not shown it is willing to move past this, last year being the exception

i dont think we have enough players with killer instinct or pure hunger on our list

_________________
my last one was rubbish

that's why i'm all for moving a big piece or two and bringing some much needed other pieces in this summer. standing pat with this list we've (over)committed to, is a little same-same as the krooz-murph-gibbs years where we were totally mediocre with no real standards being driven.


keep the ones who are hungry, move on the ones we're even suspicious of and bring in people who want to play for us.

Bender: I agree with you and have been saying this for years now. We are content with players with upstanding characters and family life. They are too nice and dont have that absolute killer hunger. They dont hurt when they lose. If they did, they would come out with killer instinct the next game or next quarter.

We place too much focus on character rather than talent and ability.

I wish we would take a chance on extroverts more.

If we continue we will never be successful.

Some may say Cripps busts his guts to win, but obviously he is not scary enough to get through to other players.

Think of leaders from successful teams. Do players fear them? Yep they do and they follow.

Difference with us is that Crippa, Weitering are the only ones i think hurt when we lose. But do they have the stature to change things - No.

Look at McGovern as an example. He fluffs a famous win for us and comes out next game playing like poo. Not the fire breathing to make a menz like we would expect from a winner. Then he proceeds to tell a young team mate off. Kemp though all his faults is at least trying. Not his fault if he is not good enough sometimes, but you see him trying to take the game on.

I mean is he leading by example ? No as he was playing so poor that i thought he was taking the p*&S at one stage and doing it on purpose.

Now name me a player we have that has an aura about them where team mates are going to run through bricks. None, not even Crippa. Why? They are too nice.

well said ... when we start recruiting players for non-football qualities, this is what we're left with. pretty boys & introverts who don't like it when it gets rough.

i remember a story that Roughead was saying in like 2012 about the fear everyone had of letting down luke hodge. along the lines of: "you didn't want to let him down, let alone get on his wrong side. he's a scary human"

I have a feeling Big Nick was probably a bit like that.

Hang on, aren't you all advocating recruiting players for non-football qualities? I mean, I agree we need leaders who drive others to higher performance rather than just quietly setting an example. But it's still just a different non-footballing quality.

I don't agree that we deliberately recruited for "good character" over footballing qualities. I just think we went for footballing qualities that suited the game 10, 15, 25 years ago but not today. Contested footy uber alles; durability, speed and kicking skills optional.

I'd be curious to know how many of the hard headed Hodgesque leaders exhibit those qualities as teenage draftees, and how much of that leadership is developed during one's career. Reading draft previews, you rarely/never see leadership mentioned as a core quality. But maybe a good recruiter sees the potential when conducting interviews.

don't conflate two issues. leadership is 100% a football quality. sure, you don't measure it in agility or on the beep test. but in interviews you do.

but aside from that, the perception i get is we tend to steer away from someone with say full sleeves or a mullet, regardless if they're going to play like dane swan or bailey smith, and we chase players like sam walsh or adam cerra and hope they'll turn out like chris judd or simon black.





edit - sidenote: i actually remember the call on weitering was a 6'4" version of hodge. a leader who'll pick the team up and put them on his back. jury is probably still out as to how much like hodge he is?