Yarran =
Henderson =
Kreuzer =
Dougherty =
Simpson =

I could go on...
Slight differences, yes... Way ahead on talent and ability... No

My point is Moshe that a well coached team of good players will look like superstars, a poorly coached team of good players will make them look like spuds.
Not talking about our last few weeks... Not a time to judge us.
BUT Tigers beat Hawks and most of their players can't hit the side of a barn by foot or hand, but they pressured, made every Hawthorn possession a contest and won the contests. Game over.

(I agree we have no forward like Reiwoldt... But the lists aren't that different)

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Yes same list...
Richmond isn't regal like list wise.. but they're miles ahead of us...

Funny

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The thing the Tigers have managed to develop for the past few seasons (through drafting, trading and FA) is a 'spine' to build their team around, something we continue to struggle with. With Rance and Chaplin down back, Riewoldt up front with support from Vickery (face it, he'd be our best key forward) and Griffiths (when fit), and Cotchin/Martin/Maric in the middle, they've had the foundation there for a long time to build the rest of their team around.

As much as the game changes, you still can't have genuine success without one of:
1) A dominant midfield and/or defense
2) A solid spine

We aren't close to having either.

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Richmond have currently been more successful with their "freebies" than we have.

Lloyd, Houli, Grigg, Miles, Chaplin, Lambert and Hunt all cost nothing as far as National draft picks, yet were all in the 22 that beat Hawthorn.

Are they any better than our bottom 6 or 7, or is it the A and B graders, and a proper leadership and coaching structure that make these guys who they are? Chicken or Egg?

Whilst we need to hit the National Draft......and HARD!.... there is a place for delisted free agents, free agents, mature agers from other leagues etc if balanced in correctly with 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounders.

Not all additions to lists from areas other than National Draft have to be your "Tutt/Dick/Jones" combo.

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I do get what you're saying, and I agree with it. However, their list is a lot stronger than ours.

Yarran and Hendo have given us not much - basically Grigg and Vickery.
Kreuzer = Maric (in terms of output)
I don't know who Dougherty is
Simpson = Newman (except Newman can kick).

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Richmond were playing like shit trucks at the start of the season and most of my Richmond supporting mates were more than willing to swap out Malthouse for Hardwick. 'This bloke is shit and this bloke is a spud and this bloke can't kick' etc.

They are just playing really good footy at the moment. Grigg is still a shit truck who can't kick but in a team that's working hard and playing to his strengths they minimise the number of times he has to do upsy daisy kicks and make him look like a world beater.

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Docherty...damn autcorrect...but you knew that

I'm not overrating our players, but I'm talking about them being played at least to the capabilities they have shown

Superstars who look like spuds and spuds who look like superstars...its a fine line

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Richmond players have hit targets everytime I've seen them this year

Miles ahead of our unco lot

We really, really, really could do with Giles coming good.

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Docherty...damn autcorrect...but you knew that

I'm not overrating our players, but I'm talking about them being played at least to the capabilities they have shown

Superstars who look like spuds and spuds who look like superstars...its a fine line [/quote]
Hehe. Yep... Fair enough.

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compare rich to carl personnel ,now take out some players from the richmond team that are equivlent to carlton players eg delidio and gibbs.

You are kidding yourself. We barely have a KPP. Barely 1. They have Rance, Rewoldt minimum A grade KPP's plus great support Vickery, Maric. We have changed our Coach 4 times in the past 8 years. Is it the list or the coach?

Both Jezz... BTW we have one KP not playing in his best position. Is he not a good enough CHF or is it a coaching thing?

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I have said this before. Richmond have had a good run with injuries for the last few years.
Their good players do not miss many games and when they do Richmond struggles.

We struggle whether our good players are fit or not..

How is this even a conversation?! Look at the ladder positions and it tells you all you need to know. Richmond's list is far superior to ours. There's a reason why our list is widely considered to be one of the worst in the league.. It's because our list is flat out filth.

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Anyone doubting Richmond's list or credentials, go back and watch the game against Freo in Perth earlier this year. Smart gameplan, brilliant execution of the skills required to bring it off, and incredible work rate in the rare times they didn't have the ball. Tough, smart and skilful: ie everything we are not.

They are a million miles ahead of us in every respect. This is two years in a row they've strung at least two months of outstanding football together, knocking off top four teams home and away. Even at our 'peak' we struggled to win three in a row.