tap in 79 wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
We’re going to have to get every pick right to compete with Brisbane.
They’re my tip for the next two flags.
Let’s hope we finally strike a rich yield in the diabolically unfair father-son rule with Camporeale.
The AFL’s socialist designed competition results in two key distortions
1- father-son rule.
Will Ashcroft - just hand over a few picks in the 30s -34, 36 and 38 and bingo ! You get the best young player in the comp.
Levi Ashcroft has played in 3 flags with Sandringham Dragons.. walks straight into Lions team.
Thank you kindly says the Lions.. we’ll hand over pick 48, 49 and 50 for him ( or whatever the match bid states)
2- academy
3- on top of this, Lions recruit well. Combined.. it’s a 3 headed monster.
Our only hope is if Brisbane have injuries & if Daniher retires. And Curnow & McKay are in devastating form in the finals.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1225051/bri ... aight-flagThe points you make about unfairness in F/S picks are pretty much the exact the opposite of socialist principle at the heart of the AFL Draft selection ordering system, not a flaw of socialist principles themselves. the existing inadequacy of compensation for F/S picks would be best described as "traditionalist" or "sentimentalism" wouldn't it?
when people use the word "distortion" in the context of markets makes me want to punch something. The assumption underlying the use of that word is that there's kind of pure and optimal outcome in the first place (faith in Pareto Efficiency and Pareto-Optimal outcomes are the definition of why orthodox/neoclassical economics is broken and a dangerous set of myths used to protect the status quo).
the AFL Draft selection system is pretty much anti-market, it;'s designed to prevent the most obvious failure of markets, market power always will be abused as much as possible.
In the old days CFC won flags being a wealthy club with lots of wealthy supporters and a history of great players and flags. The club "brand" was marketed to interstate players back in the day way better than Fitzroy, Saint Kilda and South Melbourne ever could. even put together those three clubs couldn't touch the recruiting power of CFC. That market power won us premierships in the post-war years without a doubt.
by contrast, what happens around the AFL Draft process
is a market, with a lot of rules set by AFL House, but also a tonne of wheeling and dealing. Club size and marketability can carry value in that part of the process so far as attracting potential players goes. Haynes seemed to say so anyhow.
if Cal Thomey and Riley Beverage get there way, the rules around the draft will be diluted over the years to the point where players, picks, F/S relationships, future picks, future salary cap capacity, future this and future that will all be fungible.
Unfortunately I will have to disagree with you. Read Animal Farm or read about the evils being inflicted in Venezuela right now if you still have faith in socialism. Venezuela has more oil reserves than any country in the world. That's right...more than Russia, more than Saudi Arabia. The people should be immensely rich....but instead beg for food...what happened?
https://manhattan.institute/article/how ... -venezuelaAnimal Farm "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." "Four legs good, two legs better."
It all starts out all shiny and promising but in the end distortions are made to keep the system in place.
Capitalism is not perfect either. I agree with you there. If there was a perfect system all would engage in it. Yet I can guarantee you getting back to the football equation Carlton is not at the top of the pecking order under the present system. The proof is in the pudding. Let's compare our father-sons to Geelong.
Geelong
Ablett - considered the best player by many since 2000 - won 5? MVPs?
Scarlett - considered the best fullback since 2000
Hawkins - one of the top 3 forwards since 2000
Carlton
Whitnall
Waite
Who got the access to the best father-sons? Did Geelong have to pay market rates to get 3 of the best players of the 21st century? or could they pick in the 40s etc and then use the other picks on Chapman, Johnson etc.
If you like the father-son, so be it. I don't like it. I would eradicate it all together, but most have been conditioned to like "the romance" of it by the media so want it continued. If that is the case at the very least if you get a pick 1 player (eg Ashcroft) hand over your first round pick and a future first round etc..
The horse has bolted for Brisbane. They'll get to follow the Geelong model. I admire their recruiting from other clubs as well- eg Charlie Cameron from Adelaide for pick 14 or whatever it was. They made Adelaide look stupid. Yet the facts remain - this team got access to some great father-sons. "All father sons are equal, but some father sons are more equal than others."
firstly, i think you misinterpreted what i was saying. if Father Son picks are allowed, then i believe that a fair price must be paid by that club.
if that club doesn’t have a good enough pick then they can’t be allowed to offer up a few 4th round picks for points when 4th round picks are in surplus supply and pretty much worth jack-stick.
another problem with the draft system in terms of price paid by receiving club vs compensation for Father/Son and Academy players under the current rules (as i understand them, i’m not fully briefed on all the ins and outs!) is that the compensation isn’t paid to all the other AFL clubs, just the one selecting the player who qualifies under F/S or Academy. so how is it compensation at all?
what seems to happen is that if another club selects the F/S or Academy qualifying player with their earlier pick, the club qualifying for priority can just you offer weak compensation to the one selecting the player with an earlier pick. (does that club to reuse their early pick, i guess so?!)
how does that system compensate every other AFL club on the one hand? or put a fair asking price on what, in some cases, is identified as potentially an elite player of the game? (we all know the examples and Nick Diacos is the most recent signing who went almost straight into seniors and potentially plays 300 games at the elite level).
then Andrew Barrett has a big sook at the Saints B&F and wins pick 8 (or near abouts) for Battle from a media sensitive AFL as compo in an uncontracted free agency player choosing to go to the Hawks… Saints can’t retain players and get rewarded for it. cool and normal.
as one of the list managers elsewhere who saw their high picks slide… by the AFLs definition of Tier One compo, Battle must be in that elite 5% of players earning the top money, the mean salary of the top 5% is over $1m pa i think. so more random draft fun and games. it’s never going to be fair is it, but that was a shocker given this years draft quality.
as for animal farm. i’ll get back to on that. don’t get me started!
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