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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:05 am 
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Never seen Marchbank play, but if a player can be taken at #6, play 7 games in 2 years and suffer 2 serious injuries including a shoulder recon, and then be worth a #5 pick, then those must have been 7 bloody brilliant games. Surely any deal that involves giving up the #5 would not be a straight swap, but involve some improvement to our later picks?

Jay Schulz would be a free agent signing, right? If he can get back to last year's form or earlier, then not a bad guy to have around for a couple of years while our young forwards develop.



Apparently looked at in a coaching role and playing VFL. Given he has some ability and kicks very straight, seeing he's being looked at in a coaching role, we may as well put him on the senior list as well as a delisted free agent. You never know when he might come in handy. He'd be better than the 40th player on our list.

If Schuuuultz was available for senior selection, he would be a better option as a fill in than Jones.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:42 pm 
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With trade period starting tommorow my thoughts on what I would like to see over the next two weeks.
Gibbs for pick 14 and jarrod Lyons.
On trade pick 14 for marchbank, I think he is worth between pick 12-15 so this is fair.
Our third rounder to GWS for Stewart if we can't convince the Giants to through him in with marchbank just for pick 14
Bulldogs third rounder that we currently have back to them for hrovat.
Would still have picks 5+24 to bring in some quality young mids which to me is our biggest deficiency.
Plus potential of getting another second rounder if touhy goes.
I know this may cost us a few wins next year and the year after but I look at trading Gibbs as not just getting pick 14 but also saving us from using pick 5 for marchbank and getting Will Brodie.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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They need players with attitude. There are too many nice guys on the list.
They need players who don't take a backward step . Cocky bastards that back themselves.
We don't seem to have any. Blokes that spend the off season shooting pigs out bush not preparing for their next trip down the catwalks of Melbourne.
Bring in arrogant arseholes not nice blokes

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:23 pm 
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14 + Lyons isn't enough for Gibbs.

All for trading Gibbs but not for that.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:25 pm 
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14 + Lyons isn't enough for Gibbs.

All for trading Gibbs but not for that.



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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:49 pm 
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Hahaha ...

OK ... Gibbs won't be going anywhere despite the clamor from the Gibbs haters.

You blokes always get sucked in ... its so funny ... The media loves it.

But it aint gunna happen!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:25 pm 
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I can't see Gibbs going either.

He's contracted for another 3 years and happy to stay.

If Adelaide are so keen to entice him they would have to come up with better deal than pick 14 and Lyons.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:06 pm 
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I can't see Gibbs going either.

He's contracted for another 3 years and happy to stay.

If Adelaide are so keen to entice him they would have to come up with better deal than pick 14 and Lyons.


Agree with this.

But he is not untradeable. He is tradeable but at the right price.

If it was Rory Sloane and pick 14 I'd think about it. Obviously that won't happen.

Adelaide's strength is where, if reports are to be believed, we're getting an influx of GWS talent - talls. There's no real win-win in that scenario.

We already traded them a midfielder last year! His name was Troy Menzel! [sic].

However, if Gold Coast wanted Gibbs and offered pick 4 and he was willing to go, you'd think about it very seriously.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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bryce-gibbs-weighing-up-move-to-adelaide-crows

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/a ... 005092bab5

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:17 am 
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Dk wrote:
With trade period starting tommorow my thoughts on what I would like to see over the next two weeks.
Gibbs for pick 14 and jarrod Lyons.
On trade pick 14 for marchbank, I think he is worth between pick 12-15 so this is fair.
Our third rounder to GWS for Stewart if we can't convince the Giants to through him in with marchbank just for pick 14
Bulldogs third rounder that we currently have back to them for hrovat.
Would still have picks 5+24 to bring in some quality young mids which to me is our biggest deficiency.
Plus potential of getting another second rounder if touhy goes.
I know this may cost us a few wins next year and the year after but I look at trading Gibbs as not just getting pick 14 but also saving us from using pick 5 for marchbank and getting Will Brodie.


I like this. Good post. Get ready for the short sighted haters though.

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Sydney Blue wrote:
They need players with attitude. There are too many nice guys on the list.
They need players who don't take a backward step . Cocky bastards that back themselves.
We don't seem to have any. Blokes that spend the off season shooting pigs out bush not preparing for their next trip down the catwalks of Melbourne.
Bring in arrogant arseholes not nice blokes


You mean blokes like Fev, and Robbo? Love your comment about the pigs!

This is seriously a really relevant argument that I had when they delisted Brendan Fevola, and again when they got rid of both Mitch Robinson, and Speedy Garlett.

These are the personality types, like Dustin 'chopsticks' Martin, who are going to rip games apart but continue to make headlines with off field dramas. The argument is whether or not these off field issues effect team success, or if it's relevant if the dramas don't effect the individual players football.

Obviously there is a tipping point where, despite a players value to success, that the damage they cause to the club brand is too expensive. Obviously sponsors don't want to be associated with bad headlines but would it be acceptable if the club was a winning team? It seems that it is more a financial decision than a strategic football decision, or are they the same thing? Imagine if the club was able to manage the media spin, and club image, and take on some of these problem players who play amazing football but who are significantly cheaper due to off field issues. The key is, as I said earlier, whether it affects the team.

Players are people too, and answer to the police and our judicial system just like we do. If they do something wrong, it is a police matter. This is an issue being argued in the NFL also. If you were dismissed from your employment for getting drunk on the weekend, or lying to your boss about what you did in your own time, your employer would be up for unfair dismissal (as what you do on the weekend is not work related).

Obviously there are cocky bastards out there without these off field issues but while I agree with you, I also think we have many slow, gritty inside mids, but a lack of speedy outside mids, who have silky disposal. We'll need more than one, actually...

To be honest, I'm not sure what side of the fence I sit on. I also see the merit in a professional outfit, who get every drop of talent out of everyone on their list (even the grinders). A professional environment motivates the individual to get the very best out of the themselves, even on Saturday night when no one is watching.....

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:52 am 
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http://www.saints.com.au/news/2016-10-1 ... agency-era

Great article on how the 'aints have gone about their rebuild.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:55 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Hahaha ...

OK ... Gibbs won't be going anywhere despite the clamor from the Gibbs haters.

You blokes always get sucked in ... its so funny ... The media loves it.

But it aint gunna happen!


I'm not a Gibbs hater, but I've been saying for a while that cashing him in now, while he still has value is in our best interests for the long term. Yes, we will go backwards next year without him. But in two years, we will have a young exciting player with a whole career ahead of him. Even if that ends up being Marchbank (Gibbs for #13, #13 to GWS for Marchbank) In two years, Gibbs will be 30 and coming toward the end. We'd have used #5 maybe Brodie? in the midfield who's now at 20 y.o. and Marchbank at 22 y.o. We'd probably have Lyons from Adelaide providing support to the young kids coming through, and playing depth after that, unless he turns into more.

I'm not sure I'm getting sucked in, but where there's smoke, there's fire. This Gibbs talk has been going on around here for at least a month. If people like me are coming up with this idea, then I'm sure our list managers thought of it at the start of the year.....Then we hear rumours in the media (yeah, I know...), but then the photo of Gibbs with Tex at Byron (yeah, I know, Sloane's wedding). Then, talk out of Adelaide that they're targeting a big name....

Just seems like a lot of talk if there's nothing in it.

Sure makes for an exciting trade period though!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:11 am 
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So ... Adelaide want a big name mid, don't have any players of value they are willing to trade, have no salary cap room to make it happen and have no pick in the top 10 ... yep, Gibbs is going to them.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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NAB AFL Trade Radio ‏@traderadio 17s17 seconds ago

BREAKING: @Adelaide_FC confirms Bryce Gibbs wants to come home to Adelaide
#NABTradeRadio

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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NAB AFL Trade Radio ‏@traderadio 17s17 seconds ago

BREAKING: @Adelaide_FC confirms Bryce Gibbs wants to come home to Adelaide
#NABTradeRadio


Meltdown time!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:39 am 
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Dukes wrote:
So ... Adelaide want a big name mid, don't have any players of value they are willing to trade, have no salary cap room to make it happen and have no pick in the top 10 ... yep, Gibbs is going to them.

:roll:


I don't mind that you don't agree with me. But Adelaide's list manager has just confirmed that Gibbs and his management have voiced a strong desire for him to return home, and that Adelaide has had talks with Carlton.

Seems your sarcasm isn't well placed on this occasion.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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13+ Lyons AND Ellis-Yolmen.

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