Ok, we are on the verge of the finals, first time in years. Lets not get to ahead of ourselves.

Last time i checked we had 9 wins.

For me, we should of beaten Hawks and we should of beaten Saints
Only Geelong has got closer to beating Saints this year then Carlton.
We also flogged 3rd on the ladder Bulldogs

Carlton has got a young side and when you have a young team you are up and down.
For example, Essendon* lost to richmond today, that shouldnt of happened.

Sure we lost a few games this year we should of won, but if we won those games against Essendon* twice and freo, then we would be on top part of the ladder.

When Carltons list starts to develop they will take more risks ie geelong. They kick to the corridor quite a bit cos they have the skill to pull it off. We try it with Jordan russell it would be a turnover/goal to opposition.

The players are playing for Ratten and thats what you want out of the coach.

Carltons having a great year so far, we are in the finals and only 2 games off 4th spot.

No point putting a big negative spin on a 50point loss from pies. If ratts is a good coach he will turn that around the next game.

Like the NBA finals, one team flogs another one game for 30pts and next game that team that lost adjusts the game plan and wins.

Calm down guys, no point to be negative when we are looking at our first finals berth in 8 years

ScottSaunders' posts have provided a fair and balanced appraisal of Ratten, most of the rest are just agenda based or affected by emotions

Is that you Sticks ?

If so, pls step down from the board.

Cause when it comes to off field stuff, you are dumber than a bunch of door knobs !

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Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.

Can't fault the logic there.

ERGO, what he said.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Well Synners I reckon it must be fear based...I think to admit that maybe Ratts has shown nothing is to to then admit that we have screwed up yet again as a club. Some supporters will probably find this too much to bare after what the club has been through and after the hope that was created post Pratt. But if this is the case surely its better to admit you're wrong and rectify than it is to pray to the footy Gods that what ur feeling isn't real...

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That's fine but you could say it could go the other way too We're dealing with pretty much unknowns when trying to predict the future.

IF we did go the way of looking for another coach i'd much prefer someone who hasn't much to learn in regards to the coaching caper. God help the poor bloke who may or may not be a rookie coach.

The candidates out there are thin when talking about good, experienced coaches because just about all of them are signed and sealed. One bloke isn't, and i'd hazard to guess it wouldn't need a groundbreaking moment for him to move at the moment.

At the same time IF it were to happen there would be no process. How would people feel about that? Because if you are going to sack Brett Ratten the last thing you would want to be doing is bringing in another inexperienced coach, and the last thing an experienced coach will be doing is a process unless he doesn't have a job. And if he doesn't have a job then you'd have to ask why.

As far as i'm concerned, and it does pi$$ me off, the time for a "process" when selecting a coach is over. We had our chance to be absolutely thorough, Ratten won't be sacked and another rookie coach brought in. And i'll be even more pi$$ed if that were to happen.

For me, if its going to happen, its either an experienced coach such as Malthouse now or we wait until the end of 2010 and see the options then.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

see this is where I laugh.

The only 'fear based' is the reaction to ratts and the belief the answer must come now or the club will collapse and never recover. Pagan was not the man, we ares till here and even better, we have improved is many, many areas despite the 'pagan years' - though learning how to win again might still be an issue that is hurting Ratts - after all 2 years ago we have the worst record of any club over 7 years in recent history - thats gotta hurt.

If Ratts is not the man then the club will begin (may already have begun - hence Synner's political rallying here ) to replace him.

I think the panic may be because of the widow of opportunity fallacy.

Take St Kilda (please take...) Many thought their window was rapidly closing while Rossy the boy wonder dragged them into their defensive hinterland for a time

who now thinks that window has even remotely shifted?

Drafting is a rolling game not a stationary game - building a list is probably the wrong language - (although for Carlton it could be argued we first needed to build). It is a far more fluid action/reaction than that. Right now we are approaching an exciting time because many of our our kids will soon become the core of this list in age and experience - that will give us greater flexibility to draft, to trade, to alter the list as quickly as Ross has done at St Kilda. Once the basics are right the list can be changed quickly (Adelaide is another example - even West Coast will soon make people drool again) I think, finally, this club has the basics in place - but only the basics. Regardless of the coach - only the basics.

and age and experience is needed for this list to really take off - no matter who the coach. So for me its not about a screaming match 'Ratts must go now versus no he is great'

its more a bit of a smile - I cannot see the panic even though Ratts has not won me over and I and my brothers sometimes want to strangle him, I'll wait and while waiting I'll enjoy the development of players like Kruise and Hammer and Bower and Austin and JR and many others - some of who will make it, some of who will not - regardless of who is coach.

I will say (as I have in a another thread) if the club decides that Ratts is not the man I do hope we have a detailed and professional process to find out who should coach Carlton (if only to shut up all the people who bag Ratts because of a 'lack' of process).

and I hope as a club we manage that change well so that Ratts is not lost to us, a proud champion always.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Dannyboy, youre totally right.....that i am not happy....
But youre totally wrong if you believe no matter who was coach noone could do a better job than Ratts cos were young... considering he is not getting the best out of the players individually or as a group and you can add the older players too..

But you are wrong.... the club will not lift a finger to rectify the problem because those that did organise the sham process to elect Ratts are not professional... if they were .. Ratts would not have been chosen as coach.
Its one of those things that goes down as 'a good idea at the time'... but its ghastardly and should never have happened.

The best man POSSIBLE should have been coach....not the mate...

And to continue along this way will bring about untold damage.. and its plainfully stupid!!!

Its just another Sticks disaster moment....

The club has had a heap of those... including O'Reilly being targetted... what we paid for the trade... and then finally Black Friday...!!!


Just amateur hour..

But you keep laughnng... when you dont do things properly.... they will end in tears eventually...

The footy world has changed too much...to not take things seriously...

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The bloke they wanted didn't want us - As a matter of fact I cant recall seeing to many applicants jumping at the chance at coaching Carlton at the time Ratten was appointed

There appears to be a lot of jumping at shadows -there looks like there is a mold that has been cast on what supporters expect to see in certain stages of development and if their not seeing what they perceive to be the road to success then the coach is a dud .

whats our kick out strategy - well maybe they have looked at that aspect yet
whats our strategy bringing the ball into the forward line - maybe thats not a top priority

The simple things the side is not doing maybe because they haven't worked on the simple things because that stuff is easy to implement

There has been a lot of things our side hasn't been doing for 7 or so years - There are a lot of things we are still not doing - maybe there next off season lessons

Parkin thinks that Ratts has one of the best football minds of anyone he has ever been associated with - He has doubts about his ability to manage people - but he had never been in a situation where Ratts was managing people . Now Parkin has been around for a long time for him to say that Ratts has a good footy mind it must carry some weight

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So you dont think anyone wanted to coach us???

Pratt... 3 number 2 kids.... judd....

Look the worlld is not stupid..... no matter what you think....

everybody knew who the coach was going to be.... you think prospective coaches will rock up to a job interview for an 100% knock back do you???

Only one did.... Chris Bond...and it was a joke ....

Sticks Brown Williams etc had their man... their man was the genius Brett Ratten... and that was that....

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Yes my recollection was that everyone thought the Voss was going to coach us

Not Ratts

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Thats weird.....
So how did Ratts get the job??????...

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His powerpoint was better. It had flash in it.

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Voss didn't want it

There is no doubt in my mind that when they sacked Pagan their target was Voss
Voss turned them down after talking to Matthews

More people applied for the Essendon* job after Sheedy had been sacked than Carltons

Essendon* rushed to sack Sheedy after Pagan was gone because they wanted Voss also

Freo ditched Chris Connolly because they also wanted Voss - So they appointed Harvey

We appointed Ratten an Assistant at the time
Essendon* despite interviewing plenty of candidates appointed their reserve coach

so although we didn't seem to go through a process we came the the same conclusion as the other three clubs that were appointing coaches at the time

Ratten was interviewed for the Melbourne job as well

4 coaching vacancies now who would you want

Harvey
Knights
Bailey
or Ratts

So far Ratts is in front of them all

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nice try.....

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- they should take it seriously, not me. I take my family seriously, my job seriously, my art seriously, footy I take passionately but with an attempt to always understand it is a sport/game and in the real moments of importance is rather meaningless except as a release valve.

forget Ratts, who would be better than Sticks? Is there a way to move him on? Is he doing the best job? What are those processes like? etc.... what is the real football here?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Anyone is better than Stephen 'I brought OReilly to the club'Sticks 'Kernahan as president.

The problem is ....... he is enjoying the presidents role... his mates are telling him what a fantastic job he is doing...he has surrounded himself with Gleeson Williams Braadley Ratts and Co and he will be harder to get rid of than pox...

What Sticks needs to understand is he must step away and vacate the job and allow people to put up their hands for presidency. Noone will stand in an election against Elliots captain of the century....(They are all relics of the past and continue to do business that way)

Ratten and Sticks are not qualified for their positions..... and either is Braddley... Williams Lappin or Teague...

None had to compete for the job in an open market on even ground...

Thats a massive problem... its very disturbing...

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Members are up
Crowds are up
Revenue is up
Debt is down

Wins are up
Percentage is up
Quarters won is up


Sticks you are shit don't know how you can show your face in public

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Ratten - jury is still out on whether he is qualified. Although being qualified and being the right man are two different things.
Sticks - agreed.
Braddles - part-timer. Is there on match day but doesn't speak to the players. So not sure how heavily involved he is.
Williams - see Braddles.
Lappin - jury is out.
Teague - jury is out but has been okay so far.

I like Riley and Montgomery. I think they are both doing very well, but heaven forbid we should mention their names as positives because it doesn't suit any argument.

The two Hs, I think will be very good acquisitions for us and they are where they should be in development and skills.

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none of that is due to sticks being president...

is it???

look since Kreuzer has come to the club the same can be said....

What the hell are you talking about????

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